1 00:00:00,610 --> 00:00:03,849 [Music] 2 00:00:10,190 --> 00:00:07,400 the planet surfing masters almost surely 3 00:00:12,890 --> 00:00:10,200 have a plan that's clearly maybe 4 00:00:15,980 --> 00:00:12,900 something near beyond the realm of man 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:15,990 headaches irritability just every lap 6 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:19,650 pool just upon the more you think you 7 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:23,100 know that you really do that's true dr. 8 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:27,680 Zaius uh where would we be without 9 00:00:33,340 --> 00:00:31,990 because we know he was 10 00:00:34,889 --> 00:00:33,350 [Music] 11 00:00:36,729 --> 00:00:34,899 where were we 12 00:00:40,110 --> 00:00:36,739 without me 13 00:00:42,470 --> 00:00:40,120 the highest tide 14 00:00:44,970 --> 00:00:42,480 let's call 15 00:00:47,010 --> 00:00:44,980 all right higher side shatters I think 16 00:00:48,959 --> 00:00:47,020 we know by now that even today's world 17 00:00:50,549 --> 00:00:48,969 has no shortage of mysteries but take a 18 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:50,559 look into the ancient past and the 19 00:00:54,689 --> 00:00:52,390 unknown elements can seem damn near 20 00:00:56,579 --> 00:00:54,699 infinite from lost civilizations and 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:00:56,589 lost continents to mysterious megaliths 22 00:01:00,689 --> 00:00:58,690 and elongated skulls there seems to be 23 00:01:02,369 --> 00:01:00,699 plenty of areas where new discoveries 24 00:01:03,780 --> 00:01:02,379 have thrown some serious wrenches into 25 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:03,790 the conventional historical timeline 26 00:01:08,609 --> 00:01:05,890 with data the mainstream would rather 27 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:08,619 ignore destroyer obscure despite the 28 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:10,630 best efforts of our true champions of 29 00:01:15,630 --> 00:01:12,729 progress in human story reconstruction 30 00:01:18,150 --> 00:01:15,640 like today's guest Brian Forrester brian 31 00:01:19,919 --> 00:01:18,160 has been to over 90 countries trying to 32 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:19,929 get a better handle on the world but his 33 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:21,850 expertise lies in the ancient megalithic 34 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:24,970 works found in Peru Bolivia Mexico 35 00:01:30,330 --> 00:01:27,550 Easter Island Egypt and Lebanon mainly 36 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:30,340 as well as the strange elongated skulls 37 00:01:34,559 --> 00:01:32,350 found that are in desperate need of an 38 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:34,569 explanation he's written a staggering 39 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:37,840 20-plus books and has uploaded over 850 40 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:39,520 videos related to hidden history and 41 00:01:43,919 --> 00:01:41,590 megalithic sites on his epically robust 42 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:43,929 YouTube channel a real-life Indiana 43 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:45,550 Jones archetype and no doubt 44 00:01:48,839 --> 00:01:47,050 knowledgeable guests and I'm definitely 45 00:01:50,910 --> 00:01:48,849 psyched to have here Brian my man 46 00:01:53,130 --> 00:01:50,920 welcome to the higher side while I 47 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:53,140 pleasure Greg thank you so much yeah 48 00:01:56,940 --> 00:01:54,729 thanks for doing it I know this is going 49 00:01:59,070 --> 00:01:56,950 to be a lot of fun your accomplishments 50 00:02:01,559 --> 00:01:59,080 are impressive and your dedication is 51 00:02:04,260 --> 00:02:01,569 pretty inspiring clearly there is a lot 52 00:02:06,089 --> 00:02:04,270 the history books have gotten wrong one 53 00:02:08,070 --> 00:02:06,099 of these things we haven't covered 54 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:08,080 nearly enough here are those elongated 55 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:10,690 skulls or the baracus skulls as they're 56 00:02:15,390 --> 00:02:13,090 known Baracus of course indicates a 57 00:02:17,910 --> 00:02:15,400 particular culture but how widespread 58 00:02:18,990 --> 00:02:17,920 are these elongated skull findings so 59 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:19,000 they all over the planet are 60 00:02:24,809 --> 00:02:22,510 concentrated in more specific areas well 61 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:24,819 cranial deformation has been performed 62 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:27,730 on all of the continents except 63 00:02:31,410 --> 00:02:28,510 Antarctica 64 00:02:33,930 --> 00:02:31,420 most commonly about 2,000 years ago so a 65 00:02:36,449 --> 00:02:33,940 lot of different cultures would bind the 66 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:36,459 heads of the babies of their royalty and 67 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:38,470 nobility in order to make them 68 00:02:41,980 --> 00:02:39,910 physically look different from the 69 00:02:45,410 --> 00:02:41,990 general public 70 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:45,420 right and I have seen a lot of people 71 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:47,330 talking about that cradle boarding or 72 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:50,850 intentional warping of a child soft 73 00:02:56,390 --> 00:02:53,310 malleable skull but there are several 74 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:56,400 examples that clearly wouldn't fit into 75 00:03:00,800 --> 00:02:58,410 the category of being manipulated right 76 00:03:05,420 --> 00:03:00,810 it seems like it's natural to a degree 77 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:05,430 in some minority of cases yeah 100% of 78 00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:07,920 the academics state quite emphatically 79 00:03:12,460 --> 00:03:10,800 that all examples of elongated skulls 80 00:03:15,620 --> 00:03:12,470 are the result of cranial deformation 81 00:03:18,170 --> 00:03:15,630 but we've found examples here in the 82 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:18,180 practice area where there are skulls 83 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:20,610 which are quite a bit larger than normal 84 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:22,890 in terms of cranial volume and there are 85 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:24,510 other physical characteristics which 86 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:26,400 make them different from what we call 87 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:28,110 Homo sapiens sapiens 88 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:30,720 and as far as people doing it 89 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:32,310 intentionally or cultures doing it 90 00:03:36,230 --> 00:03:34,110 intentionally their motivations 91 00:03:40,430 --> 00:03:36,240 apparently are kind of interested in 92 00:03:42,260 --> 00:03:40,440 right yeah the basic consensus is when 93 00:03:45,260 --> 00:03:42,270 descendants of these people have been 94 00:03:47,450 --> 00:03:45,270 able to be asked why did your ancestors 95 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:47,460 do this they would say it makes our 96 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:49,860 children more intelligent we find it 97 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:52,350 aesthetically pleasing and that is what 98 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:55,890 the ancestors looked like that last 99 00:04:01,880 --> 00:03:58,500 point is definitely a head scratcher but 100 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:01,890 as a general conspiracy guy I'm always 101 00:04:07,010 --> 00:04:04,050 interested in questions dealing with the 102 00:04:09,050 --> 00:04:07,020 elite and power and bloodlines of today 103 00:04:11,450 --> 00:04:09,060 or any era and there's definitely an 104 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:11,460 element of that in what we know about 105 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:13,590 these skulls right that it had to do 106 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:16,560 with the upper echelon of society yeah 107 00:04:22,870 --> 00:04:18,750 almost exclusively whether it was in 108 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:22,880 Europe or Western Asia the Middle East 109 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Melanesia even Australia and various 110 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:29,970 other look all through central and parts 111 00:04:34,820 --> 00:04:32,330 of South America it's almost exclusively 112 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:34,830 just the nobility whose heads were 113 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:37,020 shaped that way in order so that the 114 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:39,450 general public could easily identify who 115 00:04:46,190 --> 00:04:43,860 their rulers were hmm provocative stuff 116 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:46,200 and so what other characteristics you 117 00:04:52,159 --> 00:04:49,290 mentioned some certain features in the 118 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:52,169 more natural elongated skulls that might 119 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:53,820 be worth noting surprisingly a lot of 120 00:04:58,790 --> 00:04:55,770 them are mummified and 121 00:05:01,010 --> 00:04:58,800 seemingly quite well preserved right yes 122 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:01,020 astonishing the area where I'm at which 123 00:05:07,129 --> 00:05:04,620 is practice in Peru is the northern part 124 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:07,139 of the Atacama Desert so we get about 125 00:05:12,559 --> 00:05:09,630 half half an inch of rainfall a year and 126 00:05:15,950 --> 00:05:12,569 it's all desert in this area it's 127 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:15,960 uplifted ancient ocean so the sand 128 00:05:22,969 --> 00:05:20,160 contains salt and so that combination of 129 00:05:25,189 --> 00:05:22,979 dryness and salt has been remarkable at 130 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:25,199 preserving these ancient people even 131 00:05:30,379 --> 00:05:28,409 better than in Egypt Wow 132 00:05:32,719 --> 00:05:30,389 so I guess some of that is environmental 133 00:05:36,050 --> 00:05:32,729 rather than through a advanced 134 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:36,060 preservation practice yeah in this area 135 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:37,830 they don't seem to have had a really 136 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:40,770 advanced mummification process like in 137 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:42,810 Egypt like with wrapping and different 138 00:05:47,689 --> 00:05:45,180 oils and waxes and things like that that 139 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:47,699 being used simply that the ground is so 140 00:05:53,689 --> 00:05:50,550 dry but they've been able to excavate 141 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:53,699 and pull out textile 2,000 years old 142 00:05:58,879 --> 00:05:55,919 that look like they were made maybe five 143 00:05:59,600 --> 00:05:58,889 or ten years ago hmm that's pretty 144 00:06:02,600 --> 00:05:59,610 awesome 145 00:06:05,659 --> 00:06:02,610 so these naturally along it it's called 146 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:05,669 a couple other things about a larger eye 147 00:06:11,450 --> 00:06:09,030 sockets apparently and where the spine 148 00:06:14,689 --> 00:06:11,460 connects to the skull is a little 149 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:14,699 different than typical Homo sapiens 150 00:06:19,370 --> 00:06:17,280 sapiens if I understand correctly yeah 151 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:19,380 it's an ongoing process that we're doing 152 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:20,969 we're trying to get as many medical 153 00:06:25,159 --> 00:06:23,070 professionals involved as possible to 154 00:06:27,529 --> 00:06:25,169 look at the anomalies and as you stated 155 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:27,539 the eye sockets are larger than normal 156 00:06:33,770 --> 00:06:30,810 they tend to be more vertical and larger 157 00:06:37,129 --> 00:06:33,780 also where the spinal cord and vertebrae 158 00:06:38,510 --> 00:06:37,139 entered the skull underneath the 159 00:06:40,159 --> 00:06:38,520 position of what's called the foramen 160 00:06:42,409 --> 00:06:40,169 magnum which is the hole in the bottom 161 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:42,419 of the skull is much farther back than 162 00:06:46,670 --> 00:06:45,030 normal so that would probably be an 163 00:06:49,490 --> 00:06:46,680 evolutionary thing in order to be able 164 00:06:53,270 --> 00:06:49,500 to balance these cone head of skulls 165 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:53,280 also there tends to be one suture line 166 00:06:58,399 --> 00:06:55,889 on top of the skull which is missing and 167 00:07:00,860 --> 00:06:58,409 then there are two holes in the back of 168 00:07:04,219 --> 00:07:00,870 the skull which seem to be for blood and 169 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:04,229 nerve flow yeah those two holes 170 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:06,270 I just thought that was so interesting 171 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:09,580 and the I guess the cranial 172 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:11,830 stitching that's missing what do you 173 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:13,840 think that would indicate that's pretty 174 00:07:19,379 --> 00:07:16,780 curious it's very curious and any 175 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:19,389 physician who's seen these in in person 176 00:07:24,689 --> 00:07:22,120 with me they say that you know there's 177 00:07:26,219 --> 00:07:24,699 supposed to be a suture line there and I 178 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:26,229 don't understand why it's not there 179 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:28,120 that's that's the most interesting thing 180 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:29,889 about having medical professionals 181 00:07:35,339 --> 00:07:32,560 because they know very well the shape 182 00:07:37,980 --> 00:07:35,349 and design of human skeleton and when 183 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:37,990 they see anomalies like this they simply 184 00:07:45,059 --> 00:07:39,610 shake their heads because it's not in 185 00:07:49,110 --> 00:07:45,069 any of their textbooks and so do we know 186 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:49,120 much about the practice culture outside 187 00:07:53,999 --> 00:07:51,449 of that they had some interesting skulls 188 00:07:56,550 --> 00:07:54,009 well it's actually one of the least 189 00:07:58,830 --> 00:07:56,560 research cultures in all of Peru the 190 00:08:00,839 --> 00:07:58,840 famous Inca have been studied for 191 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:00,849 hundreds of years by many different 192 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:02,860 academics but the practice haven't been 193 00:08:08,999 --> 00:08:06,610 studied at all since about the 1960s and 194 00:08:11,550 --> 00:08:09,009 you would think the elongated skull by 195 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:11,560 itself would create a lot of curiosity 196 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:14,710 and study another anomaly is the fact 197 00:08:20,459 --> 00:08:17,440 that they had genetically red hair which 198 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:20,469 is thinner than normal Native American 199 00:08:25,740 --> 00:08:23,650 hair and is also wavy hair experts who 200 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:25,750 have studied the hair say that it's much 201 00:08:32,430 --> 00:08:28,930 more Caucasian the Native American hmm 202 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:32,440 right I noted that for sure that the 203 00:08:38,009 --> 00:08:34,390 reddish brown hair seems to be one of 204 00:08:42,029 --> 00:08:38,019 the main elements of interest what more 205 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:42,039 can we gather from that trait well when 206 00:08:47,069 --> 00:08:44,649 it when you trace back where red hair 207 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:47,079 originates it is from the Middle East 208 00:08:53,009 --> 00:08:50,170 so the celtic people like the Scots and 209 00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:53,019 the Irish who are famous for bright red 210 00:08:57,389 --> 00:08:55,600 hair are likely descended from Middle 211 00:08:59,759 --> 00:08:57,399 Eastern ancestors and the hair that 212 00:09:02,910 --> 00:08:59,769 we're looking at is actually more Auburn 213 00:09:05,610 --> 00:09:02,920 it's a very fiery red Brown and that's 214 00:09:08,069 --> 00:09:05,620 typical of certain parts of the Middle 215 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:08,079 East up until this day there were a 216 00:09:14,579 --> 00:09:11,440 couple of quotes in a few of your books 217 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:14,589 where I felt like people were equated 218 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:17,890 this also to some areas of Europe or 219 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:19,870 Nordic descent which I thought was 220 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:21,850 Nordic I thought was a little strange 221 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:25,390 right here actually well actually no if 222 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:27,250 you look at the migration patterns into 223 00:09:33,060 --> 00:09:30,190 Western Europe there were people with 224 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:33,070 red hair whose ancestors thousands of 225 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:36,390 years ago moved into areas such as 226 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:39,040 Scandinavia through Russia and actually 227 00:09:45,270 --> 00:09:42,690 Russia means the land of the red hair so 228 00:09:47,490 --> 00:09:45,280 so that's that's the migration pattern 229 00:09:50,430 --> 00:09:47,500 mainly from it seems the origin seems to 230 00:09:54,750 --> 00:09:50,440 be somewhere around the Caucasus the 231 00:09:58,230 --> 00:09:54,760 Caspian Sea in the Black Sea hmm that's 232 00:10:00,780 --> 00:09:58,240 very interesting and like you mentioned 233 00:10:03,750 --> 00:10:00,790 the baracus culture when they least 234 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:03,760 researched cultures but is there any 235 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:06,370 insights we can get from the Incas or 236 00:10:10,770 --> 00:10:08,320 any of the other surrounding cultures of 237 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:10,780 their day where they talked about at all 238 00:10:17,550 --> 00:10:13,290 well the practice disappeared about 239 00:10:20,460 --> 00:10:17,560 2,000 years ago and the Inca rose about 240 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:20,470 a thousand years ago but one of the 241 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:22,420 connections I'm starting to develop is 242 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:24,400 that the earliest Spanish chronicles 243 00:10:30,870 --> 00:10:28,000 talk about them seeing people with red 244 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:30,880 hair and blonde hair in Cusco what's 245 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:32,770 really shocked because they literally 246 00:10:38,220 --> 00:10:34,930 wrote in their accounts these people 247 00:10:40,590 --> 00:10:38,230 have lighter skin than we do so because 248 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:40,600 red hair is directly associated with 249 00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:43,510 very light skin it's quite possible that 250 00:10:48,330 --> 00:10:46,000 the practice when they were being 251 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:48,340 exterminated about 2,000 years ago that 252 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:50,620 some of them were able to escape on an 253 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:53,590 ancient trail or road eastward into the 254 00:11:00,240 --> 00:10:56,250 highlands of Peru and wound up as 255 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:00,250 partial ancestors of the Inca who came 256 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:03,490 later hmm right on 257 00:11:09,690 --> 00:11:06,970 so there's also stories in North America 258 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:09,700 of giants I don't hear elongated skulls 259 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:12,130 associated quite so often but I do hear 260 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:14,770 red hair associated fairly often and 261 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:16,600 there's some apparently legends from 262 00:11:22,170 --> 00:11:19,240 Native American tribes that they used to 263 00:11:24,330 --> 00:11:22,180 do battle with redheaded Giants I don't 264 00:11:26,070 --> 00:11:24,340 know how much stock you put in some of 265 00:11:28,290 --> 00:11:26,080 those stories I guess they are varying 266 00:11:32,070 --> 00:11:28,300 degrees of credibility but have you 267 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:32,080 looked at that angle yeah actually I've 268 00:11:37,770 --> 00:11:34,000 been a student of Native American 269 00:11:41,070 --> 00:11:37,780 Studies since I was about ten years old 270 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:41,080 and I put a lot of credence in their 271 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:43,470 oral tradition so there are numerous 272 00:11:48,690 --> 00:11:46,690 Native people of the past or tribal 273 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:48,700 groups who speak about you know I don't 274 00:11:52,890 --> 00:11:50,380 know if giant is the correct term 275 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:52,900 they're very tall people who were there 276 00:11:57,810 --> 00:11:56,050 when the native people arrived and they 277 00:12:01,170 --> 00:11:57,820 did do battle with them and eventually 278 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:01,180 wiped them out and there are a lot of 279 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:03,820 stories around the world oral traditions 280 00:12:09,810 --> 00:12:06,870 if you talk about visits from 281 00:12:12,390 --> 00:12:09,820 fair-skinned people apparently and also 282 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:12,400 red hair is mentioned a decent amount 283 00:12:17,730 --> 00:12:16,000 but how often is an elongated skull 284 00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:17,740 highlighted in these stories because you 285 00:12:21,510 --> 00:12:19,480 think if they had that characteristic 286 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:21,520 that would be the top of the description 287 00:12:28,010 --> 00:12:25,750 chart yeah you would think so I see 288 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:28,020 wrote a book called the plumed serpent 289 00:12:33,270 --> 00:12:31,510 which is about Native American native 290 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:33,280 South American stories of ancient 291 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:35,320 teachers who arrived in the distant past 292 00:12:42,570 --> 00:12:38,350 who had full beards light-colored hair 293 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:42,580 and light-colored skin one term used as 294 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:45,030 the Viereck oceans another is 295 00:12:50,010 --> 00:12:47,710 Quetzalcoatl another is Kukulcan and 296 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:50,020 these were ancient teachers that arrived 297 00:12:54,450 --> 00:12:52,330 and instructed the people supposedly 298 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:54,460 coming from some distant eastern land 299 00:12:58,829 --> 00:12:56,350 right and that's really interesting 300 00:13:01,050 --> 00:12:58,839 because Quetzalcoatl you know in 301 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:01,060 mainstream culture often talked about as 302 00:13:06,690 --> 00:13:05,410 a deity a feathered serpent and I guess 303 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:06,700 your contention is that that was 304 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:09,370 actually based on a real teacher or is 305 00:13:14,490 --> 00:13:12,250 it still allegory no I think it's based 306 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:14,500 on real teachers one of the problems 307 00:13:19,650 --> 00:13:17,170 with interpreting native oral tradition 308 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:19,660 is that it tends to be quite poetic it's 309 00:13:23,970 --> 00:13:22,089 not like point to point facts so they 310 00:13:25,860 --> 00:13:23,980 tend to flower especially over the 311 00:13:28,650 --> 00:13:25,870 course of time base they flower the 312 00:13:31,380 --> 00:13:28,660 original story but I think the origin is 313 00:13:32,970 --> 00:13:31,390 likely based on on truth because we're 314 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:32,980 learning more and more that the 315 00:13:36,990 --> 00:13:35,320 migration of people around the world was 316 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:37,000 much more extensive than what we've been 317 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:39,730 taught in history books right and there 318 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:42,310 does seem to be a curious connection 319 00:13:47,430 --> 00:13:44,890 between reptiles 320 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:47,440 and teachers or elevators of mankind 321 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:48,490 when it comes to a lot of these 322 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:50,590 indigenous tribes you could even draw a 323 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:52,210 parallel to the serpent in the Garden of 324 00:13:59,040 --> 00:13:56,710 Eden but we make of that tie-in well I 325 00:14:01,740 --> 00:13:59,050 think a lot of it in recent times has 326 00:14:05,190 --> 00:14:01,750 been really overblown if you look at the 327 00:14:09,660 --> 00:14:05,200 symbolism itself again because native 328 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:09,670 oral tradition is quite poetic and for 329 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:12,370 example with the Inca culture they had 330 00:14:17,850 --> 00:14:14,890 three animals that were very important 331 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:17,860 totems to them one was the serpent 332 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:20,320 another was the Puma and the third was 333 00:14:25,530 --> 00:14:23,920 the Condor so those are also levels of 334 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:25,540 consciousness so the serpent represents 335 00:14:30,210 --> 00:14:28,090 the subconscious the Puma is the 336 00:14:32,190 --> 00:14:30,220 conscious and the Condor is the 337 00:14:34,350 --> 00:14:32,200 superconscious and so if you put those 338 00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:34,360 three together in a very powerful 339 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:37,120 teacher person I think that's where the 340 00:14:42,210 --> 00:14:40,030 the term feathered serpent comes from 341 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:42,220 it's the combination of these three 342 00:14:47,270 --> 00:14:44,770 levels of consciousness but people have 343 00:14:50,010 --> 00:14:47,280 tendency then than to say well they were 344 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:50,020 obviously you know two-legged reptiles 345 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:51,760 that had feathers that walk around and 346 00:14:59,100 --> 00:14:56,110 you know and had to be alien right so 347 00:15:02,040 --> 00:14:59,110 yeah I mean look at the Griffin and you 348 00:15:04,050 --> 00:15:02,050 got the whole trifecta there yeah yeah 349 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:04,060 you find that in many parts of the world 350 00:15:07,770 --> 00:15:05,950 where you have especially the serpent 351 00:15:10,350 --> 00:15:07,780 because the serpent represented wisdom 352 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:10,360 to so many different cultures and then a 353 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:13,030 bird would represent the connection with 354 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:15,130 the divine because of the fact they can 355 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:17,500 fly so high yeah it's just so 356 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:19,210 interesting and curious that so many 357 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:20,950 cultures that apparently didn't 358 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:23,500 communicate arrived at some of the same 359 00:15:29,730 --> 00:15:27,160 symbolism yeah that could be a basic 360 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:29,740 component of human consciousness rather 361 00:15:33,810 --> 00:15:31,990 than it being taught you know from one 362 00:15:36,270 --> 00:15:33,820 side of the world to the other it might 363 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:36,280 be a very root understanding that we 364 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:39,550 have as human beings that's true that's 365 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:41,890 true can't discount that possibility and 366 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:44,230 the Condor is kind of interesting 367 00:15:49,980 --> 00:15:46,270 because of course Graham Hancock he is 368 00:15:52,590 --> 00:15:49,990 very adamant about this pillar at 369 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:52,600 gobekli tepe having significance and it 370 00:15:58,249 --> 00:15:55,110 of course has a kind of cartoonish 371 00:16:00,169 --> 00:15:58,259 Condor on it yeah bad and 372 00:16:02,509 --> 00:16:00,179 so I think there are depictions of cats 373 00:16:04,929 --> 00:16:02,519 as well you know the feline of the cat 374 00:16:07,069 --> 00:16:04,939 is another great symbol that is 375 00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:07,079 international in terms of ancient oral 376 00:16:12,619 --> 00:16:11,279 tradition I love that stuff and so to 377 00:16:14,539 --> 00:16:12,629 get back to the elongated skulls 378 00:16:15,609 --> 00:16:14,549 apparently a lot of them are found 379 00:16:19,249 --> 00:16:15,619 around 380 00:16:22,669 --> 00:16:19,259 tiwanaku and puma punku and peru which 381 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:22,679 of course are a pair of the many 382 00:16:27,109 --> 00:16:24,569 megalithic sites being talked about now 383 00:16:28,659 --> 00:16:27,119 but can you tell us about those sites 384 00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:28,669 that make them so interesting to you 385 00:16:33,139 --> 00:16:30,899 well the interesting thing is because 386 00:16:36,619 --> 00:16:33,149 I've been traveling around in South 387 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:36,629 America for years and have visited sites 388 00:16:43,219 --> 00:16:39,689 like puma punku and tiahuanaco i've been 389 00:16:45,349 --> 00:16:43,229 there more than 50 times again of course 390 00:16:48,139 --> 00:16:45,359 I wrote a book and the book is about the 391 00:16:50,929 --> 00:16:48,149 elongated skulls of Peru and Bolivia and 392 00:16:54,019 --> 00:16:50,939 in general wherever we find a megalithic 393 00:16:56,539 --> 00:16:54,029 site if there is an on-site museum we'll 394 00:16:58,369 --> 00:16:56,549 find evidence of elongated skulls having 395 00:17:00,559 --> 00:16:58,379 lived there hmm 396 00:17:03,470 --> 00:17:00,569 and maybe you can help clarify something 397 00:17:05,569 --> 00:17:03,480 for me but are these two separate sites 398 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:05,579 or kind of the same site what draws the 399 00:17:08,990 --> 00:17:07,049 distinction between the two because I 400 00:17:11,899 --> 00:17:09,000 think I understand them to be on the 401 00:17:15,019 --> 00:17:11,909 same plateau right yeah they're right 402 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:15,029 next door to each other it it's kind of 403 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,220 tiresome to have to say Tiahuanaco and 404 00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,439 Pumapunku because they historically they 405 00:17:24,679 --> 00:17:21,839 are the same location it's just that 406 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:24,689 when they decided to preserve them they 407 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:27,750 built one fence around one and one fence 408 00:17:32,090 --> 00:17:30,330 around another and then a ticket window 409 00:17:35,539 --> 00:17:32,100 at one and a ticket window at the other 410 00:17:37,639 --> 00:17:35,549 so one has a sign saying tihuanaco and 411 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,649 other has a sign saying puma punku-- but 412 00:17:41,419 --> 00:17:39,360 when you look at the megalithic nature 413 00:17:44,509 --> 00:17:41,429 of the original construction it's the 414 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:44,519 same site mm-hmm okay makes a lot of 415 00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:48,240 sense and it is located on this plateau 416 00:17:52,659 --> 00:17:49,980 that a lot of people talk about if 417 00:17:55,399 --> 00:17:52,669 you've seen pictures it's definitely a 418 00:17:57,500 --> 00:17:55,409 impressive view do you think that 419 00:18:00,200 --> 00:17:57,510 plateau is natural because some people 420 00:18:03,019 --> 00:18:00,210 suggest that it might have been laid as 421 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:03,029 the base for this puma punku complex 422 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:04,529 yeah it's got a really interesting 423 00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:07,260 history because the conventional story 424 00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:10,260 which you know as usual doesn't make any 425 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:11,520 sense is 426 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:13,890 it was a Bronze Age culture called the 427 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:17,010 Tiwanaku who constructed all of this and 428 00:18:21,260 --> 00:18:18,930 some of the stonework would be very 429 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:21,270 difficult to replicate today with modern 430 00:18:25,700 --> 00:18:23,370 high-tech power tools so that you had to 431 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:25,710 throw that story out immediately so when 432 00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:27,780 you look further back in time the great 433 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:29,640 researcher of that area was called 434 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:32,750 posnansky and he was able to do 435 00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:35,280 measurements of the precession of the 436 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:37,560 equinoxes which measures the wobble of 437 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:39,710 the earth and so by using that principle 438 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:42,930 you can measure how many degrees off a 439 00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:45,690 site is from perfect true north south 440 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:48,900 east and west and he believed that puma 441 00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:50,820 punku and tiahuanaco were originally 442 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:53,820 constructed about 15,000 years ago which 443 00:18:59,630 --> 00:18:56,580 scholars throw out the window but if you 444 00:19:01,670 --> 00:18:59,640 look at that time period at least 12,000 445 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:01,680 years ago Lake Titicaca was a hundred 446 00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:04,020 feet higher than it is today 447 00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:07,020 and so it's shoreline would have been at 448 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:09,960 Tiahuanaco and Pumapunku so it does seem 449 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,170 like the site was built up in order to 450 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:15,120 make sure that it was slightly higher 451 00:19:19,030 --> 00:19:17,250 than the lake level and therefore it 452 00:19:22,670 --> 00:19:19,040 could have been a port with some kind 453 00:19:25,340 --> 00:19:22,680 interesting and I guess with this date 454 00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:25,350 of 15,000 years old with that put it 455 00:19:30,050 --> 00:19:27,900 more in line with the Baracus time 456 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:30,060 period are you are you of the mindset 457 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:31,650 that they had something to do with the 458 00:19:36,620 --> 00:19:33,350 building 459 00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:36,630 no because the tihuanaco culture did 460 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:39,600 have elongated skulls but they basically 461 00:19:45,170 --> 00:19:41,910 are the result of cranial deformation so 462 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:45,180 they existed between 2,000 and 1,000 463 00:19:48,620 --> 00:19:45,780 years ago 464 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:48,630 the conventional story of the practice 465 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:51,830 which is still an open book is that they 466 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:55,080 spontaneously arrived in this area about 467 00:20:02,060 --> 00:19:58,970 800 BC and then disappeared about 100 AD 468 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:02,070 okay so I wasn't quite sure how far back 469 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:03,660 they went I actually thought it was 470 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:06,890 going to be a lot further back 800 BC 471 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:09,650 it's like kind of a little surprising 472 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:12,090 well that's that's the conventional 473 00:20:15,310 --> 00:20:13,860 timeline we don't know yet that's why 474 00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:15,320 we're planning on doing a lot of 475 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:18,120 radiocarbon testing samples from the 476 00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:20,910 practice to see their exact age and I'm 477 00:20:25,310 --> 00:20:22,470 still trying to research where their 478 00:20:28,790 --> 00:20:25,320 first location of habitation is 479 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:28,800 right interesting so also I wanted to 480 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:30,630 ask you about there's actually a long 481 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:33,510 strip of land called the passive Vera 482 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:35,730 kocha or where apparently a lot of 483 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:37,170 interesting things are found including 484 00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:39,990 the stuff we're talking about right yeah 485 00:20:44,060 --> 00:20:41,700 it's really interesting it's an 486 00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:44,070 energetic line it's part of the urged 487 00:20:51,530 --> 00:20:48,060 grid system of energy it goes from more 488 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,540 or less the north coast of Peru where 489 00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:54,240 two roommates Ecuador down in a 490 00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:56,580 southeasterly direction and along that 491 00:21:02,300 --> 00:20:59,250 line are almost all of the ancient 492 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:02,310 megalithic sites including tiwanaku the 493 00:21:08,540 --> 00:21:05,460 island of the Sun Machu Picchu Cusco 494 00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:08,550 itself and other locations that brings 495 00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:11,640 in the kind of esoteric idea that these 496 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:14,280 sites were used energetically mm-hmm 497 00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:17,510 yeah I really am intrigued by that 498 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:20,430 perspective with my limited 499 00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:22,050 understanding I don't necessarily know 500 00:21:25,220 --> 00:21:24,000 how they could be used but what is your 501 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:25,230 research show what do you think some of 502 00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:27,090 the possibilities of how they could have 503 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,820 used this grid would be well again the 504 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:31,740 main thing we have to do is throw the 505 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:34,710 conventional archeological ideas of the 506 00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:37,080 window because these sites are clearly 507 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,020 older than any known culture of the area 508 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:42,840 and of course we can get into Egypt as 509 00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:45,480 well which is another area that is all 510 00:21:50,750 --> 00:21:48,840 about that and so the megalithic work 511 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:50,760 had to have been done using forms of 512 00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:52,860 high-technology and in some cases 513 00:21:57,740 --> 00:21:56,100 technology beyond our capability which 514 00:22:00,200 --> 00:21:57,750 most people won't accept that that is 515 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:00,210 the fact because we've taken many 516 00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,580 engineers and stonemasons to these 517 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:04,080 locations and when they see the 518 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:06,900 precision of the stone work they say I 519 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:10,020 don't know how I could do that and 520 00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:12,030 that's another interesting question I 521 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:14,340 had for you is some researchers talk 522 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:17,010 about because of utilization of 523 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:18,930 something like a global energy grid they 524 00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:21,630 they think that maybe there was a global 525 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:23,880 culture do you think that's necessary or 526 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:25,050 do you think it could have been just 527 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:26,970 like higher society than we typically 528 00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:28,650 think kind of like today but not 529 00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:32,640 necessarily one community well I think 530 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:35,000 there were at least three ancient 531 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:38,010 highly evolved societies I don't think 532 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,330 there was one 533 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,460 and the reason why I think that is that 534 00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:43,500 the construction techniques that we see 535 00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:46,980 are quite different the work in Peru and 536 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:49,340 Bolivia tends to be very organic very 537 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:52,590 polygonal shaped stones that tightly fit 538 00:22:59,660 --> 00:22:55,050 together when you go to Egypt it's much 539 00:23:01,820 --> 00:22:59,670 more cubic and linear and then puma 540 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:01,830 punku and tiwanaku are unique on the 541 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:05,370 planet there is no building technique 542 00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:07,170 that would use anywhere else 543 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:09,630 except they're right on yeah 544 00:23:13,580 --> 00:23:11,550 architecture is usually what you got to 545 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:13,590 look at because you know you can see the 546 00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,830 differences and in their lives some 547 00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:19,200 insight into who made them but I've also 548 00:23:22,550 --> 00:23:20,790 heard some researchers talking about 549 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:22,560 like Richard Corsaro talked about the 550 00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:25,080 the triptych the idea that there is a 551 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,480 three doorway design found in 552 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:29,460 architecture all over the planet maybe 553 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,650 not at the time depths we're talking 554 00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,600 about of course but it's a curious thing 555 00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:35,280 too that suggests some kind of 556 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,030 intermingling yeah it's quite possible 557 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:42,240 or it's also possible that due to the 558 00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:46,470 energetic nature of these complexes that 559 00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:49,860 either by using the energetic grid or by 560 00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:51,990 other means there was communication 561 00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:55,080 between ancient civilizations that were 562 00:24:00,170 --> 00:23:58,260 quite far apart right I think that's a 563 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:00,180 fascinating possibility that they could 564 00:24:06,430 --> 00:24:03,990 be used for communication like how could 565 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:06,440 we visualize how that would work 566 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:09,690 well I think to kind of overdo it would 567 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:13,620 be to say that they were like stargates 568 00:24:20,350 --> 00:24:17,910 but I think portal is much more useful 569 00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:20,360 term because we see these very strange 570 00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:24,150 depressions in stone walls especially 571 00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:26,040 around the Cusco area quite often the 572 00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:28,590 size of a refrigerator so somebody can 573 00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:31,580 stand up inside this solid stone 574 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:34,740 depression usually the stone contains 575 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:37,260 quartz crystal which of course is used 576 00:24:42,530 --> 00:24:40,410 in electronics in modern time so it's 577 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:42,540 quite possible that the stone was 578 00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:45,210 specifically selected for its energetic 579 00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:46,940 properties in order to be able to 580 00:24:53,030 --> 00:24:49,830 utilize the Earth's energy to amplify 581 00:24:56,030 --> 00:24:53,040 that energy and be able to direct it 582 00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:56,040 through sound or possibly even fishing 583 00:25:01,160 --> 00:24:59,460 or video of some kind hmm Wow 584 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:01,170 Visionnaire video I think is pretty 585 00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:04,140 awesome portals typically I think 586 00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,630 indicate travel and I have seen those 587 00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:08,280 things you're talking about those little 588 00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,560 stone doorways that are carved out of 589 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:13,440 stone and it just looks like man maybe 590 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:16,110 there was an extra piece there at some 591 00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:18,900 point or something but has there been 592 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:24,240 very many anomalous type of elements 593 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:26,010 found around these areas that could 594 00:25:31,910 --> 00:25:28,970 maybe connect to some type of technology 595 00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:31,920 well the interesting thing is that we're 596 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:34,860 looking at a level of knowledge which is 597 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:36,870 theoretical to us because they don't 598 00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:40,200 seem to have prepared to use technology 599 00:25:45,050 --> 00:25:43,350 as we see it like you know this computer 600 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:45,060 that I'm looking at it's got buttons and 601 00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,010 you know glass front and stuff like that 602 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:49,080 so that's what makes it very difficult 603 00:25:53,060 --> 00:25:51,090 to figure out but it makes it very 604 00:25:56,060 --> 00:25:53,070 intriguing and I think it's also the 605 00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:56,070 reason why standard academia runs away 606 00:26:00,620 --> 00:25:58,140 from these topics or makes fun of them 607 00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:00,630 because it's it's way beyond their 608 00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:03,860 capability to even attempt to figure out 609 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:06,270 right you know we talked a little bit 610 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:08,250 about oral traditions can you tell us 611 00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:10,970 about any oral traditions that describe 612 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:13,860 these areas or what they were used for 613 00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:17,460 as portals or as technology well as she 614 00:26:23,030 --> 00:26:19,500 does this one location which is called 615 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:23,040 the coricancha which is in the center of 616 00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,020 Cusco which was the capital of the Inca 617 00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:27,120 and it's the precision of its 618 00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:28,980 construction is absolutely astonishing 619 00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:31,680 you can't fit a human hair in the joints 620 00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,380 between the stones it's that precise so 621 00:26:39,020 --> 00:26:36,600 the the Inca you know of course it said 622 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,030 the Inca built this and they made it 623 00:26:44,030 --> 00:26:41,460 their holy of holies but there's no way 624 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:44,040 the Inca could have built that structure 625 00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,690 because they were a Bronze Age 626 00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:47,640 technology and the stones would utilize 627 00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:51,750 is basalt which is very hard and the 628 00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:54,840 quarry is something like 45 kilometers 629 00:27:01,160 --> 00:26:57,020 away and you're looking at millions 630 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:01,170 millions of pounds of stone so I think 631 00:27:05,289 --> 00:27:03,210 what happened is that because they were 632 00:27:06,909 --> 00:27:05,299 spiritual people 633 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,919 they were able to pick up that when they 634 00:27:11,619 --> 00:27:08,720 were in the center of the quarry Concha 635 00:27:13,389 --> 00:27:11,629 that the energy was slightly different 636 00:27:14,859 --> 00:27:13,399 in that it would put them into a 637 00:27:17,379 --> 00:27:14,869 slightly alternate state of 638 00:27:20,289 --> 00:27:17,389 consciousness and so I think that's why 639 00:27:22,869 --> 00:27:20,299 they used it as their Holy of Holies but 640 00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,879 I think originally the power that was 641 00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,320 some or energy that was being generated 642 00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:27,679 was much much higher than even when the 643 00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:30,230 Inca found it in ruins that's 644 00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:32,600 interesting and some researchers have 645 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:34,070 also pointed out that in ancient 646 00:27:38,979 --> 00:27:37,100 cultures Egypt in particular there seems 647 00:27:42,129 --> 00:27:38,989 to be a much closer connection between 648 00:27:44,049 --> 00:27:42,139 their spirituality and technology than 649 00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:44,059 there is today at least on the surface 650 00:27:49,299 --> 00:27:46,340 but have you given any thought to that 651 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:49,309 aspect and how closely those things do 652 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:52,070 seem interrelated in the past yeah I 653 00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:53,450 think there was some much more of a 654 00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:55,580 whole brain approached in the past I 655 00:28:01,720 --> 00:27:58,190 think that people you know that now were 656 00:28:04,570 --> 00:28:01,730 hyper specialists in in areas whereas I 657 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:04,580 think in the past people of the noble 658 00:28:09,249 --> 00:28:06,350 spiritual class were probably 659 00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:09,259 disciplined in many different areas and 660 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:11,929 utilized both the left and right brain 661 00:28:18,899 --> 00:28:16,210 in order to develop a more substantial 662 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:18,909 concept of consciousness and awareness 663 00:28:24,249 --> 00:28:21,850 mm-hmm yeah seems like that might be a 664 00:28:25,899 --> 00:28:24,259 slightly better approach to life but 665 00:28:29,229 --> 00:28:25,909 another question I had pray about that 666 00:28:31,629 --> 00:28:29,239 path of Vera kocha apparently there are 667 00:28:33,999 --> 00:28:31,639 several caves there with ancient burial 668 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:34,009 sites and ancient elongated mummified 669 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,529 skulls or skeletons and I'm always 670 00:28:40,659 --> 00:28:38,960 interested in caves and deep caverns 671 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:40,669 into the earth is there anything else 672 00:28:44,499 --> 00:28:42,529 you can tell us about these caves or 673 00:28:45,249 --> 00:28:44,509 some of the more intriguing vines from 674 00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,259 inside them 675 00:28:51,399 --> 00:28:47,840 yeah actually Kip Maltese were used a 676 00:28:53,769 --> 00:28:51,409 lot for burial especially there's a 677 00:28:57,099 --> 00:28:53,779 major complex called Oriente tombow 678 00:28:59,409 --> 00:28:57,109 which is part in Copart megalithic the 679 00:29:01,330 --> 00:28:59,419 the basic thing we know about the Inka 680 00:29:03,489 --> 00:29:01,340 is that they discovered when they first 681 00:29:06,729 --> 00:29:03,499 entered Cusco in the Sacred Valley they 682 00:29:08,859 --> 00:29:06,739 found ancient sites in ruins as if they 683 00:29:11,789 --> 00:29:08,869 had been destroyed by some Cataclysm and 684 00:29:15,099 --> 00:29:11,799 so they adopted them and made them 685 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:15,109 religious spiritual sites but a few 686 00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:18,470 months ago my wife and I went to see the 687 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,309 last 688 00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,600 drawbridges which is made out of natural 689 00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:23,880 rope they used to be hundreds of them 690 00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,350 but now there's only one left 691 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:27,720 and on the way back from there because 692 00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,510 our taxi driver was local and quite 693 00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:33,179 informed about the ancient culture he 694 00:29:39,890 --> 00:29:36,299 took us to the opening of a tunnel that 695 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:39,900 we went into three or four hundred yards 696 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,410 but unfortunately we didn't bring decent 697 00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:45,960 flashlights with us because this whole 698 00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:48,390 thing was a surprise but he insisted 699 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:50,790 that it continued on for six kilometers 700 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:53,460 and that there was a big lake at the end 701 00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:56,809 of it deep in inside the bedrock Wow 702 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:00,240 hahaha that is right up my alley I love 703 00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:02,490 to hear stories like that underground 704 00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:05,940 Lakes lore of underground civilizations 705 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:09,150 I mean there are quite a bit of ant farm 706 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,850 like tunnels carved all under the 707 00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,620 underground I guess not necessarily 708 00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:15,299 carved I guess some are natural but 709 00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:16,919 there are some that seem artificial all 710 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:19,980 around the globe yeah and there are lots 711 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,290 of stories in cusco from old people that 712 00:30:27,289 --> 00:30:24,960 there's a whole underground system of 713 00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,299 tunnels under like underneath cusco 714 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:30,720 which is super ancient and a french team 715 00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,230 did some mapping with a helicopter I 716 00:30:38,659 --> 00:30:36,000 think it was of using ground-penetrating 717 00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:38,669 radar and they found that there's a 718 00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:40,679 tunnel that connects in an ancient site 719 00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,070 called saqsaywaman to the quarry Kancha 720 00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,500 that I just spoke of in Cusco so that's 721 00:30:53,539 --> 00:30:49,200 at least one and a half kilometers or a 722 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:53,549 mile long gosh it's so impressive and 723 00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:57,240 it's so odd because you would think that 724 00:31:01,970 --> 00:30:59,580 it'd be easier to travel between these 725 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:01,980 places along the surface rather than 726 00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,040 cutting a huge underground tunnel or if 727 00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,340 it's natural building sites above an a 728 00:31:11,539 --> 00:31:10,320 tunnel so that you could travel between 729 00:31:13,159 --> 00:31:11,549 them I guess 730 00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:13,169 might the suggestion be that the 731 00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:14,580 environment was different at that time 732 00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:17,040 or would there be some reason why they 733 00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:18,900 would travel underground rather than on 734 00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:21,419 the surface well it's hard to really 735 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:24,030 know at this point the entrance to the 736 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:25,710 tunnel has been blocked at both ends 737 00:31:32,899 --> 00:31:28,710 because portal kept going in and 738 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:32,909 disappearing or whatever but that's 739 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:35,609 be people's right to disappear it well 740 00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:38,129 it should be able to risk it if you want 741 00:31:44,719 --> 00:31:41,580 to so if it's unknown whether that 742 00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:44,729 tunnel is natural or not or whether it 743 00:31:50,239 --> 00:31:47,940 is you know what manufactured or not but 744 00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:50,249 I do know that there is a huge system of 745 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:53,190 tunnels in the Giza Plateau area of 746 00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:55,710 Egypt because I've been underground to 747 00:32:01,460 --> 00:31:58,470 the third level right and that that was 748 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:01,470 only possible through a local guy who 749 00:32:05,899 --> 00:32:03,570 was able to you know get permission to 750 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,909 be able to do that but he said there are 751 00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:08,159 probably at least another ten levels of 752 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:11,070 tunnels that go deeper and deeper yeah I 753 00:32:14,060 --> 00:32:12,450 thought that was really interesting I 754 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:14,070 that was one of the books that I was 755 00:32:18,999 --> 00:32:15,809 able to read of yours thanks for sharing 756 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,009 those with me and you also indicate that 757 00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:22,559 something about the way the Giza Plateau 758 00:32:28,999 --> 00:32:25,559 underground tunnels are carved suggests 759 00:32:30,979 --> 00:32:29,009 that the Sphinx would be a lot older 760 00:32:33,379 --> 00:32:30,989 than the Great Pyramid or it helps to 761 00:32:36,499 --> 00:32:33,389 kind of coordinate which came first is 762 00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:36,509 that right yeah it's likely that they 763 00:32:41,779 --> 00:32:40,320 the Sphinx was first and the tunnel 764 00:32:43,999 --> 00:32:41,789 system we're talking about they're not 765 00:32:47,479 --> 00:32:44,009 carved into sand they're carved into the 766 00:32:49,149 --> 00:32:47,489 bedrock which is limestone so it is 767 00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:49,159 quite possible that the Giza Plateau 768 00:32:54,859 --> 00:32:51,899 itself underground connects with other 769 00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,869 locations like Karnak and also the 770 00:32:59,659 --> 00:32:56,340 valley of the kings and valley of the 771 00:33:02,719 --> 00:32:59,669 queens because even though the pharaohs 772 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:02,729 buried their dead in this you know a 773 00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,129 vast system of tunnels in the valley of 774 00:33:08,749 --> 00:33:06,720 kings and valley of the queens it's 775 00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,759 hardly likely that they actually made 776 00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:11,519 the tunnels themselves it's more likely 777 00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:14,129 that they discovered them right yeah you 778 00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:15,659 say in the book they were just using 779 00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,220 what they had and I think that makes 780 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:20,399 perfect sense yeah and also if you go to 781 00:33:24,859 --> 00:33:21,690 the Valley of the Kings and you walk 782 00:33:27,109 --> 00:33:24,869 down in one of these tunnels you see the 783 00:33:28,609 --> 00:33:27,119 precision of the cutting and the fact 784 00:33:32,419 --> 00:33:28,619 that it would be basically impossible 785 00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:32,429 for Bronze Age Egyptian workers to be 786 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:34,710 able to carve these tunnels which are 787 00:33:39,229 --> 00:33:36,809 hundreds upon hundreds of feet long and 788 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:39,239 it easily tall enough to be able to walk 789 00:33:43,650 --> 00:33:40,610 through 790 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:43,660 and as for the tunnels is it that they 791 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,170 connect most of the major sites on the 792 00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:50,240 plateau except for the Sphinx is that 793 00:33:53,549 --> 00:33:52,580 why we think it kind of gives us clues 794 00:33:56,110 --> 00:33:53,559 about the timing 795 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:56,120 well actually the tunnels go underneath 796 00:34:01,360 --> 00:33:58,490 the sink it's more the weathering of the 797 00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:01,370 Sphinx that has has created quite a stir 798 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:05,030 with dr. Robert Schoch is a American 799 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,910 geologist and when he first saw the 800 00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:10,159 Sphinx he knows that there were vertical 801 00:34:16,510 --> 00:34:13,460 weathering lines and so of course the 802 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,520 Egyptologists say well it's 5,000 years 803 00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:18,320 old and you know we get we get 804 00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:20,840 sandstorms and there the sand would have 805 00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:22,820 eroded the surface but when he looked at 806 00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,710 the vertical lines he said that could 807 00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:26,960 only be done by rain and we're talking a 808 00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,840 lot of rain and so by looking at climate 809 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:32,720 models he was able to figure out that 810 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:35,210 the last time substantial rain occurred 811 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:38,090 in the Giza Plateau area was at least 10 812 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:40,730 to 12 thousand years ago which is twice 813 00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:42,790 the age of the dynastic Egyptians 814 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:46,220 civilization hmm yeah I love that it 815 00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:49,010 does seem to be pretty good evidence so 816 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:50,899 I also wanted to jump to some kind of 817 00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,320 weird stuff that I've seen from you on 818 00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:57,200 your website and in pictures one of them 819 00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,350 would be this amphibian humanoid being 820 00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,960 skull that was found in a cave labyrinth 821 00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:05,119 in Peru apparently it wasn't the only 822 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:07,100 one but it has to be one of the most 823 00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:10,910 interesting heads I've ever seen yeah 824 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:14,270 that's so I kind of hesitated to even 825 00:35:20,590 --> 00:35:17,810 show it because it is it is so bizarre I 826 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:20,600 was said when we were in Cusco about 827 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:22,850 two-and-a-half months ago I was sent 828 00:35:27,370 --> 00:35:25,850 photographs of that little skull and of 829 00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:27,380 course it looked like it was fake or 830 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:30,140 made out of paper mache or something 831 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:32,570 like that but the man who has it 832 00:35:37,630 --> 00:35:34,250 contacted me and said would you like 833 00:35:40,090 --> 00:35:37,640 this or I I said can I see it and when 834 00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:40,100 we actually went to see it you can tell 835 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:43,480 that it was once some kind of life-form 836 00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:46,780 my training is in biology all 837 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:49,420 so good for them and they took it and 838 00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:52,410 also this very large three fingered hand 839 00:36:01,200 --> 00:35:56,940 to be x-rayed in Cusco at a hospital and 840 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:01,210 the radiologist who both took the x-ray 841 00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:03,880 scan examined these artifacts said yeah 842 00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:05,710 I think these are you know these were 843 00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:07,390 once life forms of some kind I don't 844 00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:10,150 know what but they don't seem to be 845 00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,220 faking it he kept insisting these are 846 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:14,560 not fake these you know this is bone 847 00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:19,090 this is skin what it is I don't know and 848 00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:21,820 I love that three fingered hand as well 849 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:23,830 it's got fingers that are much longer 850 00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:26,260 than ours at first I thought it was the 851 00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:28,360 bones of some type of fin without the 852 00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:30,040 blood on it but that theory was tossed 853 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:31,780 out the window when you zoom in on the 854 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:34,330 fingernails and that's a little creepy 855 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:37,170 but it is clearly a hand of some kind 856 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:39,910 yeah it you know the elongated skulls 857 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:42,310 are one thing but these are I was in 858 00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:44,830 complete shock with and we happen to 859 00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:48,220 have two local native healers slash 860 00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:51,700 shaman's with us looking at them and I 861 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:53,080 guess the difference between North 862 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:55,690 America and Europe in terms of mentality 863 00:36:59,970 --> 00:36:58,210 is that native people tend to be I guess 864 00:37:01,680 --> 00:36:59,980 a little more open-minded and when I 865 00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:01,690 said what do you think these are they 866 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:03,220 just looked and said well they look 867 00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:04,650 alien 868 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:10,870 in places like Mexico and Peru yeah I've 869 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:12,820 heard that because they apparently see 870 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:14,770 them so often it isn't really a big deal 871 00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:18,010 so yeah that mummified amphibian 872 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,380 humanoid looks like a frogman set or 873 00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:22,960 something but apparently yes from the 874 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:25,000 x-rays it shows that their sinus 875 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:26,920 cavities in it there's plenty of 876 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:29,740 indications that it is was a real thing 877 00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:31,930 can you tell us about anything else was 878 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:34,030 this some three-fingered hands found 879 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,250 near the frog skull again it's not based 880 00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:41,440 on me visiting the actual location 881 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:43,780 because that's that's it's very 882 00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:45,880 controversial at the moment but the 883 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:49,180 basic story we were given was that these 884 00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:53,110 two specimens are from either a cave or 885 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:55,300 a labyrinth in the Nazca area of Peru 886 00:38:00,329 --> 00:37:58,210 which is just south of me here and they 887 00:38:03,269 --> 00:38:00,339 were found in a large stone 888 00:38:06,989 --> 00:38:03,279 Coffee Koosh containing numerous other 889 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:06,999 body parts of odd-looking beings and 890 00:38:12,809 --> 00:38:09,849 that the white material that's on the 891 00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:12,819 surface is icy the clay of the area it's 892 00:38:17,339 --> 00:38:15,640 what the ground is made of so they could 893 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:17,349 have been sitting in this stone block 894 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:20,529 for hundreds if not thousands of years I 895 00:38:25,499 --> 00:38:23,380 keep making inquiries as to going to see 896 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:25,509 the location but unfortunately what's 897 00:38:30,779 --> 00:38:27,880 happening is the people who control the 898 00:38:33,569 --> 00:38:30,789 site and area are selling these odd 899 00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:33,579 artifacts off against the foreigners and 900 00:38:38,339 --> 00:38:36,700 so they don't want anyone there because 901 00:38:40,769 --> 00:38:38,349 if the government finds out where this 902 00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:40,779 location is they will immediately move 903 00:38:46,709 --> 00:38:44,079 in and grab it as an ancient historical 904 00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:46,719 site so these people are supposedly 905 00:38:52,709 --> 00:38:50,680 quite armed and dangerous but I am still 906 00:38:54,450 --> 00:38:52,719 trying to negotiate to try to go you 907 00:38:56,819 --> 00:38:54,460 know even if ACTA blindfolds when you're 908 00:38:59,549 --> 00:38:56,829 something I just I'd like to see if 909 00:39:01,890 --> 00:38:59,559 there is more to this but the two people 910 00:39:04,289 --> 00:39:01,900 who are acquainted with these objects 911 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:04,299 they're very honest people they don't 912 00:39:08,729 --> 00:39:06,249 want to make money from this they're 913 00:39:11,249 --> 00:39:08,739 just curious like we are as to what 914 00:39:13,469 --> 00:39:11,259 these things are and hopefully DNA 915 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:13,479 testing will be done and radiocarbon to 916 00:39:17,969 --> 00:39:16,150 see how old they are yeah absolutely I 917 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:17,979 would love to know more about them but 918 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:20,170 yeah unfortunately it just is what it is 919 00:39:23,279 --> 00:39:20,710 right now 920 00:39:25,259 --> 00:39:23,289 but you know studying oral traditions as 921 00:39:28,019 --> 00:39:25,269 you have is there anything in the area 922 00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:28,029 in terms of oral stories or traditions 923 00:39:32,609 --> 00:39:29,700 that could tie into these findings 924 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:32,619 there's so many stories as you mentioned 925 00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,170 about people having sightings mainly of 926 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:38,079 glowing orbs or you know flying saucers 927 00:39:43,859 --> 00:39:41,710 or discs etc it's widely accepted that 928 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:43,869 off planetary beings have been visiting 929 00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,089 this area especially around Lake 930 00:39:50,609 --> 00:39:48,640 Titicaca and Nazca for thousands of 931 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,619 years and so local people don't 932 00:39:55,289 --> 00:39:53,200 understand our fascination because 933 00:39:56,999 --> 00:39:55,299 they've heard from their parents and 934 00:40:00,329 --> 00:39:57,009 grandparents and great-grandparents 935 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:00,339 about contact or sites or dissertations 936 00:40:05,969 --> 00:40:02,890 and things like that I love it it's such 937 00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,979 a different type of way to handle things 938 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:07,599 in the way we do over here it's just 939 00:40:12,509 --> 00:40:09,910 it's fun to hear about how different it 940 00:40:14,099 --> 00:40:12,519 is to switch gears slightly of course I 941 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:14,109 couldn't read all your books but I did 942 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:16,450 read a couple and I really liked crimson 943 00:40:20,549 --> 00:40:18,609 horizon in particular where you talk 944 00:40:22,859 --> 00:40:20,559 about the mysteries of Easter Island 945 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,869 which is kind of in the neighborhood of 946 00:40:27,089 --> 00:40:24,640 these areas we're discussing where you 947 00:40:29,009 --> 00:40:27,099 find most intriguing about Easter Island 948 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:29,019 and can it really be tied back to these 949 00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,650 areas in Peru very much so it's all part 950 00:40:37,319 --> 00:40:34,859 of looking at the migration pattern and 951 00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:37,329 ancient migration patterns of people 952 00:40:41,759 --> 00:40:39,430 because it's quite likely that the 953 00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:41,769 practice for example did not originate 954 00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:43,569 on the coast of Peru they could have 955 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:45,880 come from somewhere farther to the west 956 00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:48,910 and what makes Easter Island pivotal is 957 00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:52,329 that it would be for maritime people or 958 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:54,430 travelers it would be a perfect stopping 959 00:40:58,739 --> 00:40:56,410 place if you were going east or west 960 00:41:01,499 --> 00:40:58,749 because it's ancient name literally 961 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:01,509 means the land of flowing water or 962 00:41:07,259 --> 00:41:04,230 weeping waters because there are giant 963 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:07,269 caverns inside the island which are 964 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:10,569 storehouses of water due to its volcanic 965 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:12,609 nature there are also ancient oral 966 00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:15,249 traditions that when the first people 967 00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:18,849 who were their pre polynesian that there 968 00:41:24,479 --> 00:41:21,489 were blonde and red haired people with 969 00:41:26,759 --> 00:41:24,489 light skin a quite tall stature who the 970 00:41:29,819 --> 00:41:26,769 Polynesians first encountered probably 971 00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:29,829 2,000 years ago and even when Dan 972 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:32,049 Roggeveen who was the first European to 973 00:41:36,479 --> 00:41:33,609 land there and he's the one who called 974 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:36,489 it Easter Island he noted in his ship's 975 00:41:41,279 --> 00:41:38,950 log but he saw people who were of dark 976 00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:41,289 complexion light complexion black hair 977 00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:46,980 red hair blond hair tall and short a 978 00:41:52,769 --> 00:41:49,420 multicultural center of sorts it seems 979 00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:52,779 yeah well very much a crossroads yeah 980 00:41:57,870 --> 00:41:55,390 and another element that was interesting 981 00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:57,880 what about this wrong go rune go tablet 982 00:42:01,890 --> 00:41:59,950 apparently no other Polynesian culture 983 00:42:03,329 --> 00:42:01,900 had a hieroglyphic system but this seems 984 00:42:06,539 --> 00:42:03,339 to be something in that neighborhood 985 00:42:08,579 --> 00:42:06,549 right very much so no other Polynesian 986 00:42:10,979 --> 00:42:08,589 you know called the Polynesian cultures 987 00:42:12,839 --> 00:42:10,989 have not even hieroglyphs but they have 988 00:42:14,489 --> 00:42:12,849 petroglyphs and they tend to be quite 989 00:42:17,249 --> 00:42:14,499 simple like you'll see a stick figure of 990 00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:17,259 a person or a dog or the symbol of a son 991 00:42:22,259 --> 00:42:19,900 something like that but the wrong go 992 00:42:23,849 --> 00:42:22,269 wrong go text unfortunately most of them 993 00:42:25,979 --> 00:42:23,859 were destroyed by the missionaries 994 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:25,989 because they were thought to be taboo 995 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:27,850 and they were carved on wood 996 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,070 bored so they'd be easy to burn but the 997 00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:32,560 probable story behind that is that it's 998 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:34,180 likely that the wrong go wrong go 999 00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:37,750 existed with this pre Polynesian culture 1000 00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:40,960 and it was their system of language and 1001 00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:43,960 there is the possibility that that 1002 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:47,320 system of symbols originated somewhere 1003 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:48,580 in the Indus Valley 1004 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:51,970 I guess when it's compared to things 1005 00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:54,010 around the world can it be read or 1006 00:43:00,240 --> 00:42:57,790 decoded to any degree no but the one 1007 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:00,250 code system that it looks most similar 1008 00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:03,340 to is an ancient code from the Indus 1009 00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:07,300 Valley of the India area man so many 1010 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:10,780 mysteries and I love also the idea of 1011 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:13,210 lost continents which you get into a 1012 00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,310 little bit in crimson horizon where you 1013 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:17,920 say that speculation and controversy or 1014 00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,720 ripe with the thought that a continent 1015 00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:21,760 once existed in the Pacific Ocean in the 1016 00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:23,470 distant past and that the people who 1017 00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,240 presently live on the islands we have 1018 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:27,280 already discussed as well as Peru our 1019 00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:29,890 descendants of such a sunken realm and 1020 00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:32,200 you go on to say that most common names 1021 00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:35,020 for this sunken continent are bloom area 1022 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:38,080 and MU based on what little we know are 1023 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:39,850 these descriptions close enough to 1024 00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,490 suggest we have two titles for this for 1025 00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:45,040 the same place or are the stories 1026 00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:46,750 different enough to suggest two separate 1027 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:49,600 places I think it's more likely that mu 1028 00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:51,880 is the original name I think Lemuria was 1029 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:55,030 made up in the 18th century so there is 1030 00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,210 a Hawaiian oral tradition that says that 1031 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:00,640 before the Tahitian people who were the 1032 00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:02,530 ancestors of most of the Hawaiians 1033 00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:05,140 arrived in Hawaii that there were people 1034 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,100 living there again and and and you get 1035 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:11,440 the same story in New Zealand again we 1036 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:14,080 have these red-headed people with very 1037 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:17,410 light skin and there are still people 1038 00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:19,690 who live in Hawaii that have this 1039 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:22,720 genetic dark red hair it's called a who 1040 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:25,570 which means red-haired interesting 1041 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:27,970 come here keeps coming up and maybe this 1042 00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:29,410 means nothing but it is kind of 1043 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:31,480 interesting that phonetically you have 1044 00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:35,850 mu right in the middle of lumeria yeah 1045 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:38,590 and maybe it means nothing well in in 1046 00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:41,170 one of my latest books which is 1047 00:44:46,259 --> 00:44:43,900 after shark and that's about ancient 1048 00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:46,269 Cataclysm that I think destroyed all of 1049 00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:49,900 the megalithic societies about 12,000 1050 00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,670 years ago and this is based on science 1051 00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,920 which is collecting more data and that's 1052 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:55,599 at the end of the last ice age was 1053 00:45:00,299 --> 00:44:58,210 12,000 years ago and it was not a 1054 00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:00,309 gradual process it was very traumatic 1055 00:45:06,089 --> 00:45:03,670 and rapid and even again dr. Robert 1056 00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:06,099 Schoch believes that the rising of the 1057 00:45:09,809 --> 00:45:07,660 sea level which is more than three 1058 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:09,819 hundred feet at the end of the Ice Age 1059 00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:11,890 could have taken as little as two weeks 1060 00:45:17,849 --> 00:45:14,980 and so that would have been the 1061 00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:17,859 disappearance of the so-called lost 1062 00:45:23,279 --> 00:45:20,880 continents rather than Atlantis or MU 1063 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:23,289 sinking into the ocean it was the rising 1064 00:45:29,009 --> 00:45:25,450 of the sea level that buried the land 1065 00:45:30,779 --> 00:45:29,019 masses forcing survivors to flee to 1066 00:45:33,269 --> 00:45:30,789 rebuild their societies in other 1067 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:33,279 locations mm-hmm I think that makes 1068 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:37,089 perfect sense and as for what we hear 1069 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:40,329 about lumeria or lou marian lore in the 1070 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:41,410 book you said that one of the most 1071 00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,410 elaborate accounts of lost continents 1072 00:45:50,549 --> 00:45:47,200 was given by the Theosophical author 1073 00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:50,559 William Scott Eliot a name I'm not 1074 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:52,630 familiar with but what did he had to say 1075 00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:53,970 about it 1076 00:45:58,559 --> 00:45:56,380 honestly I don't remember god that goes 1077 00:46:00,809 --> 00:45:58,569 way way back in time I don't remember 1078 00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:00,819 but I do know that the Theosophical 1079 00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:03,609 society were a 19th century group of 1080 00:46:09,390 --> 00:46:06,640 thinkers who were collectors of ancient 1081 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:09,400 esoteric knowledge so they were very big 1082 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:13,450 on subjects like Atlantis as well as mu 1083 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:17,410 or Lemuria and what's happened to their 1084 00:46:22,109 --> 00:46:18,130 information 1085 00:46:24,809 --> 00:46:22,119 I owe there enough there are a lot of 1086 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:24,819 names for sure and just on the subject 1087 00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:26,890 one more thing apparently as far as 1088 00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,470 moves concerned it being a lost Pacific 1089 00:46:34,829 --> 00:46:31,839 Ocean continent it was popularized by a 1090 00:46:36,809 --> 00:46:34,839 guy named James Church Ward you relay 1091 00:46:39,539 --> 00:46:36,819 his story saying that Church Ward claims 1092 00:46:41,819 --> 00:46:39,549 that while he was a soldier in India he 1093 00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:41,829 befriended a high-ranking temple priest 1094 00:46:47,849 --> 00:46:44,200 who showed him a set of ancient clay 1095 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:47,859 tablets supposedly in a long-lost Naga 1096 00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:49,930 Maya language which only two other 1097 00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:51,849 people in India could read having 1098 00:46:54,490 --> 00:46:53,710 mastered the language himself Church 1099 00:46:56,740 --> 00:46:54,500 wards 1100 00:46:58,900 --> 00:46:56,750 found out that they originated from 1101 00:47:02,200 --> 00:46:58,910 quote the place where man first appeared 1102 00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:02,210 called Moo gotta love it man very 1103 00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:04,340 provocative I guess is there anything 1104 00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:07,190 else noteworthy any I mean obviously you 1105 00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:08,750 know we're grasping at threads when it 1106 00:47:12,099 --> 00:47:10,849 comes to a lost continent but is there 1107 00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:12,109 anything else in your studies that you 1108 00:47:17,290 --> 00:47:13,700 found interesting about that idea of a 1109 00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,300 lost continent in the Pacific yeah tersh 1110 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:19,760 word Road I think four or five books and 1111 00:47:24,810 --> 00:47:22,010 of course he was laughed at it at the 1112 00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:24,820 time by academics but he he did a lot of 1113 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:27,230 on-the-ground investigations and that's 1114 00:47:31,450 --> 00:47:28,970 where he was able to develop these 1115 00:47:34,839 --> 00:47:31,460 possible connections between the 1116 00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:34,849 ancestors of the Maya and areas of India 1117 00:47:39,339 --> 00:47:38,060 Tibet and maybe Nepal again that's it 1118 00:47:40,839 --> 00:47:39,349 that's where you know we were just 1119 00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:40,849 discussing the whole idea about the 1120 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:43,180 rongorongo language may have come from 1121 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:46,490 the Indus Valley area and that tells us 1122 00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,130 that people were traveling utilizing the 1123 00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,640 Pacific and Indian Oceans a lot in the 1124 00:47:56,650 --> 00:47:53,599 distant past 1125 00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,660 I think we're curious is I lived on Maui 1126 00:48:01,150 --> 00:47:58,640 for two years being involved in a 1127 00:48:03,099 --> 00:48:01,160 cultural project there and when we 1128 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:03,109 looked at a topographical map because 1129 00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:05,330 the people I was working with there were 1130 00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:08,089 all kind of studying the same topic more 1131 00:48:12,490 --> 00:48:09,740 or less based on Graham Hancock's work 1132 00:48:16,109 --> 00:48:12,500 we noted that if you lowered the sea 1133 00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:16,119 level of the Pacific by 300 feet 1134 00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:18,230 basically all of the islands of Hawaii 1135 00:48:24,510 --> 00:48:20,990 would have been connected so I honestly 1136 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:24,520 believe that mu or Lemuria was Hawaii 1137 00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:29,750 Wow fascinating man another interesting 1138 00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:31,700 piece of info that you have in the book 1139 00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:33,670 as it relates to the possibility of 1140 00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:37,040 radical change in the past is you say 1141 00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:40,070 that according to one theory Madagascar 1142 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:42,500 and India were indeed once part of the 1143 00:48:47,410 --> 00:48:44,930 same landmass thus accounting for their 1144 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,420 geological resemblances but plate 1145 00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:49,520 movement caused India to break away 1146 00:48:53,290 --> 00:48:51,380 millions of years ago and move to its 1147 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:53,300 present location colliding with the 1148 00:48:58,359 --> 00:48:55,970 Asian mainland and forming the Himalaya 1149 00:49:01,480 --> 00:48:58,369 Mountains which are supposedly still 1150 00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:01,490 growing vertically to this day and man 1151 00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:04,430 that's cool how about that yeah and I 1152 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,990 see it's the same with the Andes here 1153 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:07,760 the Andes are still growing because you 1154 00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:07,970 have 1155 00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:10,670 the Pacific plate and the Nazca plate 1156 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:12,590 that are grinding against each other and 1157 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:15,290 that's also why of course it's quite a 1158 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:17,810 volcanic earthquake prone area because 1159 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:19,730 once in a while one of the plates will 1160 00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:23,090 flip and hopefully not in the in the 1161 00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:25,700 near future create a quite a massive 1162 00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:27,830 earthquake because this is part of the 1163 00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:31,940 so called Ring of Fire hmm and of course 1164 00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:33,619 talking about those kind of things 1165 00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:35,900 that's a time depth of millions of years 1166 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:39,140 ago apparently so it doesn't really have 1167 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:41,390 much to do with the people were talking 1168 00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:45,290 about but as far as a cataclysm roughly 1169 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:47,540 10 to 12 thousand years ago of course we 1170 00:49:51,550 --> 00:49:49,130 hear guys like Graham Hancock and 1171 00:49:53,830 --> 00:49:51,560 Randall Carlson talking about a meteor 1172 00:49:55,330 --> 00:49:53,840 impact that would have hit the huge ice 1173 00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:55,340 sheets during this period to cause 1174 00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:58,280 massive flooding but you seem to be more 1175 00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,020 in the camp that it could have been some 1176 00:50:04,570 --> 00:50:02,000 type of plasma burst that that would be 1177 00:50:06,609 --> 00:50:04,580 more likely is that right yeah the 1178 00:50:08,830 --> 00:50:06,619 reason why I wrote my book aftershock is 1179 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:08,840 because there are so many different 1180 00:50:12,849 --> 00:50:11,090 theories but the interesting thing is 1181 00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:12,859 the timeline is almost always the same 1182 00:50:17,260 --> 00:50:14,300 it's always about twelve thousand years 1183 00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:17,270 ago so I looked at all of the research I 1184 00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:21,440 could and I think what happened there's 1185 00:50:25,420 --> 00:50:23,300 one theory that it was plasma ejection 1186 00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:25,430 from the Sun and that's Robert Schoch 1187 00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:29,390 theory another theory is comet or comets 1188 00:50:35,710 --> 00:50:32,960 part impact or close flyby which would 1189 00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:35,720 be more of the Graham Hancock idea 1190 00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:38,599 there's also paul la viola is an 1191 00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,260 american physicist and he believes that 1192 00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:44,720 actually galactic center is not a black 1193 00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:47,089 hole but it's a pulsar and that once 1194 00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:49,400 every approximately thirteen thousand 1195 00:50:55,210 --> 00:50:53,359 years it erupts with energy and so that 1196 00:50:58,060 --> 00:50:55,220 energy would cross the Galactic plane 1197 00:51:00,460 --> 00:50:58,070 and so I think all of these theories can 1198 00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:00,470 be put together I believe Paul loved 1199 00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:03,260 your lips idea that there is this this 1200 00:51:07,089 --> 00:51:05,150 eruption that happened from galactic 1201 00:51:10,510 --> 00:51:07,099 center about every thirteen thousand 1202 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:10,520 years and so that wave of energy of 1203 00:51:16,030 --> 00:51:13,730 cosmic energy and gamma rays and things 1204 00:51:18,250 --> 00:51:16,040 like that could have grabbed things like 1205 00:51:20,589 --> 00:51:18,260 comets in their paths that have gone 1206 00:51:21,550 --> 00:51:20,599 straight through the Sun and caused 1207 00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:21,560 solar 1208 00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:24,950 plasma bursts on the other side so I 1209 00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:26,750 think with the system of all of these 1210 00:51:33,220 --> 00:51:29,480 events and it could have been something 1211 00:51:34,990 --> 00:51:33,230 that wasn't a one-time thing but could 1212 00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:35,000 have taken place over the course of two 1213 00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:37,340 or three hundred years right I mean that 1214 00:51:41,230 --> 00:51:38,990 throws another wrench in things that it 1215 00:51:44,350 --> 00:51:41,240 doesn't even have to be one particular 1216 00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:44,360 method of destruction but as debated a 1217 00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:46,520 topic is that is you're right a lot of 1218 00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:48,950 researchers are focusing on that younger 1219 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:51,260 driest period that 10 to 12 thousand 1220 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:54,650 years ago this window of time and I 1221 00:51:59,950 --> 00:51:57,050 guess a picture does start to emerge 1222 00:52:02,310 --> 00:51:59,960 when you think about global flood myths 1223 00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:02,320 rising waters around that time 1224 00:52:09,130 --> 00:52:06,230 destroying the high societies of their 1225 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:09,140 day and resulting in the megaliths that 1226 00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:11,930 we find now I mean there is a bit of a 1227 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:13,790 clarity to that narrative when you 1228 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:14,930 really put all the pieces together 1229 00:52:21,460 --> 00:52:18,410 wouldn't you say yeah definitely and 1230 00:52:23,860 --> 00:52:21,470 another thing to consider is there are 1231 00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:23,870 ancient oral traditions to talk about a 1232 00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:26,080 time when there were only two seasons 1233 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:30,020 not four and so if you look at our 1234 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:33,170 planet which is presently at a tilt of 1235 00:52:38,050 --> 00:52:35,510 23 and a half degrees which doesn't seem 1236 00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:38,060 to be something the universe would 1237 00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:39,830 create you think everything would be in 1238 00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,320 perfect harmony then when you also find 1239 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:44,960 the asteroid belt was likely a planet 1240 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:47,810 you have the planet of Uranus lying on 1241 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:50,510 its side and I think Venus is rotating 1242 00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:52,310 backwards that could very well be 1243 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:54,440 evidence of an ancient series of 1244 00:53:00,970 --> 00:52:58,010 Cataclysm coming from outside or or 1245 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:00,980 possibly inside of our solar system 1246 00:53:06,340 --> 00:53:03,010 so if our planet was originally 1247 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:06,350 perfectly vertical that's where we 1248 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:08,210 learned the stories of woolly mammoths 1249 00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:11,330 being found flash-frozen in Siberia with 1250 00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:14,180 food still in their mouths and it could 1251 00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:16,190 very well be that this cataclysmic event 1252 00:53:21,940 --> 00:53:19,340 hit the earth so hard that it caused 1253 00:53:24,730 --> 00:53:21,950 this 23 and a half degree shift and that 1254 00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:24,740 would be so destructive because almost 1255 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:27,470 instantaneously you would have temperate 1256 00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:29,810 places becoming Arctic Arctic becoming 1257 00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:32,420 temperate tropical becoming temperate 1258 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:35,310 and there is some interest now in 1259 00:53:39,050 --> 00:53:37,050 Antarctica there's a lot of scientific 1260 00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:39,060 research going on down there and there 1261 00:53:44,660 --> 00:53:41,670 are theories that Antarctica is 1262 00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,670 obviously a landmass but 12,000 years 1263 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:47,040 ago it probably or at least parts of it 1264 00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:48,530 would have been in a temperate climate 1265 00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:51,780 so there are some researchers that think 1266 00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,160 that Atlantis actually is Antarctica so 1267 00:53:59,540 --> 00:53:58,020 we're getting kind of near the end of 1268 00:54:02,420 --> 00:53:59,550 the road here I wanted to come back to 1269 00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:02,430 the practice skulls a bit there's such a 1270 00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:04,230 big piece of your work you're so 1271 00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:06,390 knowledgeable about them and apparently 1272 00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:09,960 there has been some DNA testing done 1273 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:12,870 recently can you break down the findings 1274 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:14,460 for us commoners on what the major 1275 00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:18,290 takeaways are from these test results 1276 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:21,000 sure it's been an incredibly painful 1277 00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:23,610 process to do this because there are no 1278 00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:27,540 ancient DNA testing laboratories in Peru 1279 00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,500 and the top ten and there only are about 1280 00:54:36,590 --> 00:54:33,720 ten that can deal with two 1281 00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:36,600 thousand-year-old DNA are located in 1282 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:39,780 North America and Europe so trying to 1283 00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:43,170 get them to do the testing has been very 1284 00:54:48,050 --> 00:54:45,480 difficult because they tend to be closed 1285 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:48,060 shops like they belong to a university 1286 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:51,330 that doesn't take outside samples also 1287 00:54:55,850 --> 00:54:53,490 if they get a hint of what you're trying 1288 00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:55,860 to test just by the shape of the skulls 1289 00:55:00,350 --> 00:54:57,780 themselves they'll immediately say no 1290 00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:00,360 we're not interested so we were 1291 00:55:04,580 --> 00:55:02,580 fortunate in being able to have a sample 1292 00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:04,590 tested about three and a half years ago 1293 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:08,790 in the United States and the geneticist 1294 00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:12,810 were perplexed because what happens when 1295 00:55:18,110 --> 00:55:15,840 you when your DNA test a sample from a 1296 00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:18,120 human being is that that sample is 1297 00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,240 compared with every other known human 1298 00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:24,000 sample and that's contained in a giant 1299 00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:27,000 database called Gentek so that's why 1300 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:30,030 somebody in modern times can have a swab 1301 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:31,890 taken from inside their mouth or a blood 1302 00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:34,530 sample and they can find it very rapidly 1303 00:55:38,980 --> 00:55:36,380 you know that there 1304 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:38,990 you know said scotch-irish or 75% 1305 00:55:46,749 --> 00:55:43,609 scotch-irish or 85% of European ancestry 1306 00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:46,759 with a curious bit of Chinese throw and 1307 00:55:50,499 --> 00:55:48,950 thrown in I think these people like to 1308 00:55:52,329 --> 00:55:50,509 have their DNA tested in order to be 1309 00:55:55,029 --> 00:55:52,339 able to to see how interesting their 1310 00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:55,039 background is yeah but but when it comes 1311 00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:56,900 to ancient DNA testing it requires the 1312 00:56:02,259 --> 00:55:58,700 most sophisticated next-generation 1313 00:56:05,170 --> 00:56:02,269 sequencing and so we had one sample 1314 00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:05,180 taken and he wrote back and said this is 1315 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:06,710 very strange because there are segments 1316 00:56:12,819 --> 00:56:08,210 of this DNA that don't match anything 1317 00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:12,829 human or ape or mammal or anything I can 1318 00:56:17,529 --> 00:56:15,529 find and that caused a worldwide shock 1319 00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:17,539 the unfortunate thing was he was 1320 00:56:21,970 --> 00:56:19,430 immediately fired because he was doing 1321 00:56:24,759 --> 00:56:21,980 this testing without the permission of 1322 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:24,769 the owners of the laboratory but 1323 00:56:28,450 --> 00:56:26,690 fortunately we've been able to bring him 1324 00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:28,460 online because we were able to get 1325 00:56:36,099 --> 00:56:31,640 samples tested from a private collection 1326 00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:36,109 from Peru and only from for skulls but 1327 00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,049 the results indicated at the end SS 1328 00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:41,359 trees either your northern European or 1329 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:43,910 Middle Eastern so that doesn't fit in 1330 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:45,890 with the Bering Land Bridge hypothesis 1331 00:56:50,499 --> 00:56:47,930 that all Native Americans walked across 1332 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:50,509 the Bering Land Bridge 12,000 years ago 1333 00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:52,970 so that's that's interesting but we've 1334 00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:55,430 been negotiating with the government 1335 00:57:00,640 --> 00:56:57,890 here and one of their departments 1336 00:57:03,609 --> 00:57:00,650 specifically for 25 months in order to 1337 00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:03,619 be able to have samples from one of the 1338 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:06,740 official museums tested and I am hoping 1339 00:57:12,490 --> 00:57:08,930 and praying that we are within day like 1340 00:57:14,499 --> 00:57:12,500 literally days of being able to have 1341 00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:14,509 that done Wow 1342 00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:17,839 and so based on your alternative ideas 1343 00:57:22,210 --> 00:57:20,329 to the mainstream were you surprised or 1344 00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:22,220 are those kind of the results that you 1345 00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:26,040 kind of expected well 1346 00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:28,500 I of course I just go with what the data 1347 00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:31,140 tells me and the fact that the red hair 1348 00:57:36,050 --> 00:57:34,350 was was in existence indicated to me 1349 00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:36,060 that obviously there was something going 1350 00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:38,310 on that these people had come from 1351 00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:41,940 somewhere other than the local area they 1352 00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:44,220 were probably great seafarers and so 1353 00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:47,100 that's why the middlee Eastern results I 1354 00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:51,030 found to be really interesting again the 1355 00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:53,400 northern European part could be that 1356 00:57:57,310 --> 00:57:55,260 both people were descended from people 1357 00:58:01,160 --> 00:57:57,320 from the Middle East there would be no 1358 00:58:03,740 --> 00:58:01,170 alien DNA detectable because as far as I 1359 00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,750 know GenBank does not have any alien DNA 1360 00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:06,420 to compare with but what we're simply 1361 00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:10,590 hoping or yeah hoping is that these 15 1362 00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:15,360 new samples will be very similar to the 1363 00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:18,150 fourth we've already had tested and if 1364 00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:19,590 that's the case then that builds a 1365 00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:22,920 strong story of a migration of an 1366 00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:25,320 ancient people that nobody cares about 1367 00:58:31,610 --> 00:58:29,550 it's at me well that will be exciting to 1368 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:31,620 get those results too and see if it just 1369 00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:33,810 adds more fuel to the fire or if it 1370 00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:35,460 takes us in a totally different 1371 00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:41,340 direction right and I'm also curious it 1372 00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:43,950 does seem like a lot a lot of museums 1373 00:58:48,830 --> 00:58:46,350 seem to be kind of removing these 1374 00:58:51,380 --> 00:58:48,840 elongated skulls from view as they get 1375 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:51,390 more attention but other places left 1376 00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:54,450 where a regular person can go in and see 1377 00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:56,460 skulls like this on display or have they 1378 00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:58,050 all been taken down to the basement at 1379 00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:01,260 this point no actually the ECAM museum 1380 00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:02,910 which is about an hour's drive from here 1381 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:05,220 has the largest elongated skull I think 1382 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:07,050 ever found or that I've ever seen and 1383 00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:11,450 it's been on display for 40 or 50 years 1384 00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:14,310 nice they have a collection of at least 1385 00:59:18,830 --> 00:59:15,630 a hundred in the back room which I've 1386 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:18,840 seen then you have to leave my museum 1387 00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,130 which is the National Museum of 1388 00:59:26,420 --> 00:59:22,500 archeology and anthropology they have a 1389 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:26,430 I think 7 on display but likely 500 to 1390 00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:29,250 1000 in the back room and then our 1391 00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,440 little practice museum here has 45 1392 00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:36,420 elongated skulls and when people come in 1393 00:59:39,290 --> 00:59:38,700 to visit they're allowed not only to 1394 00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:39,300 look 1395 00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:42,540 but take photographs and video Wow 1396 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:45,420 I guess I would ask because we know that 1397 00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:47,850 there was some cradle boarding or 1398 00:59:51,860 --> 00:59:50,550 actually people were forming these 1399 00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:51,870 skulls versus some that were natural 1400 00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:53,880 what kind of ratio are we talking about 1401 00:59:58,580 --> 00:59:55,380 when it comes to ones that seem natural 1402 01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:58,590 that you've seen on display it's about 1403 01:00:03,590 --> 01:00:00,900 four percent right on right on eye 1404 01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:03,600 that's something yeah and actually we 1405 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:06,510 sorry but we found the specific location 1406 01:00:09,110 --> 01:00:07,110 of worth it 1407 01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:09,120 we're the largest skulls came from they 1408 01:00:13,850 --> 01:00:11,160 all came from the same cemetery so that 1409 01:00:15,980 --> 01:00:13,860 means they're all likely related Wow and 1410 01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:15,990 I've also heard you say for people who 1411 01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:18,300 might be thinking oh well because we do 1412 01:00:22,790 --> 01:00:20,220 have this tradition of people doing this 1413 01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:22,800 maybe even in the most extreme cases 1414 01:00:26,810 --> 01:00:24,030 they all could fit under that umbrella 1415 01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,820 it's a it can't be that way because as 1416 01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:29,280 you pointed out just changing the shape 1417 01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:31,740 of the skull wouldn't add volume to it 1418 01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,720 in a lot of cases I mean these skulls 1419 01:00:39,020 --> 01:00:36,480 are really large and it couldn't be just 1420 01:00:40,610 --> 01:00:39,030 just manipulated Matt foot fashion 1421 01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:40,620 because it's just too much material 1422 01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:43,500 there right yeah that's true if you ask 1423 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:45,660 any doctors they'll say yeah you can you 1424 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:46,890 know with a baby you can change the 1425 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:49,170 shape but the genetics are not going to 1426 01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:51,210 change the skull is going to form the 1427 01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:52,740 volume that is a difference that is 1428 01:00:58,070 --> 01:00:56,550 being dictated by by the genes and you 1429 01:01:00,490 --> 01:00:58,080 know our unfortunately because I live 1430 01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:00,500 here I'm constantly finding new 1431 01:01:06,290 --> 01:01:03,660 specimens and very recently one was 1432 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:06,300 brought to me of a newborn baby from 1433 01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:09,690 this same ancient cemetery where all the 1434 01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:11,640 really big skulls came from it's a 1435 01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:14,780 newborn baby the volume of that skull is 1436 01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:19,470 minimum twice the size of the volume of 1437 01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:21,600 a normal human child 1438 01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:25,230 it is very odd-looking it's got red hair 1439 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:26,910 because it's in a private collection 1440 01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:29,730 we're hoping to have it DNA tested along 1441 01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:33,000 with some others awesome and of course 1442 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:34,380 we also mentioned the other 1443 01:01:38,810 --> 01:01:36,930 physiological differences so there's 1444 01:01:40,820 --> 01:01:38,820 definitely something here and the 1445 01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:40,830 baracus people I just think they're so 1446 01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:43,140 interesting and just to kind of close 1447 01:01:48,190 --> 01:01:45,600 the door on all that apparently they 1448 01:01:50,330 --> 01:01:48,200 were wiped out by the Nazca people right 1449 01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:50,340 yeah that's the theory I'm developing 1450 01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:52,380 because the Nazca 1451 01:01:56,839 --> 01:01:53,700 two famous because of the Nazca lines 1452 01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:56,849 and geoglyphs but in fact they only made 1453 01:02:01,640 --> 01:01:58,980 a certain percentage of them it was the 1454 01:02:04,370 --> 01:02:01,650 practice people before them they created 1455 01:02:08,839 --> 01:02:04,380 the 500 tall one called the candelabra 1456 01:02:12,829 --> 01:02:08,849 as well as about 1500 smaller ones the 1457 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:12,839 Nazca people made about I think 25 but 1458 01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:15,450 the the practice people made more than a 1459 01:02:22,819 --> 01:02:20,369 thousand damn well the world is 1460 01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,829 definitely not short on mysteries I'm 1461 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:24,660 glad guys like you are out there doing 1462 01:02:28,759 --> 01:02:26,730 the dirty work to relay all this 1463 01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:28,769 information to the lazy folks like me 1464 01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:31,680 super impressive stuff and I know you 1465 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:34,799 also do tours which I for one am really 1466 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:35,970 interested in I'm sure other people 1467 01:02:40,819 --> 01:02:37,890 would be as well it's also a bit about 1468 01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:40,829 your tours what they entail and the ones 1469 01:02:45,499 --> 01:02:42,329 you might have coming up for people to 1470 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:45,509 be able to join in on sure well my wife 1471 01:02:50,299 --> 01:02:47,609 and I do tours about 25 percent of the 1472 01:02:53,269 --> 01:02:50,309 time which is maximum what we do because 1473 01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:53,279 we love to provide a quality experience 1474 01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:55,710 for people I don't want to be a tour 1475 01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:58,500 guide but I love to share these 1476 01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:01,559 locations with with people all of them 1477 01:03:08,180 --> 01:03:05,099 can be found at hidden Inka tours calm 1478 01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:08,190 which is also a massive database only 5% 1479 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:10,950 of the website is about tours the rest 1480 01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,250 is all free information so we have it's 1481 01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,039 too late to join the March tour of Egypt 1482 01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:20,880 but we have one in Cusco in June about 1483 01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,150 the Inca another one in August which 1484 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:26,880 focuses on the elongated skulls in Peru 1485 01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,089 and then we have another one in November 1486 01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:33,119 which is with author Robert Bauval who's 1487 01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:34,920 a good friend of Graham Hancock and a 1488 01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:37,799 great author and then we have another 1489 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:41,569 one in Mexico in January of 2018 1490 01:03:45,319 --> 01:03:44,130 beautiful I would love to take one of 1491 01:03:48,499 --> 01:03:45,329 those sometimes I mean it seems like 1492 01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:48,509 maybe my best chance to see a natural 1493 01:03:55,249 --> 01:03:50,819 elongated skull of him on the right tour 1494 01:03:57,380 --> 01:03:55,259 right that's right hmm beautiful well 1495 01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:57,390 also before we go you got so much work 1496 01:04:01,970 --> 01:03:59,670 out there YouTube books tell the people 1497 01:04:03,740 --> 01:04:01,980 how they can best follow up on some of 1498 01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:03,750 the things we've talked about and get 1499 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:05,640 more Brian force during their lives 1500 01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:08,290 well the best thing again is to go to my 1501 01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,960 make a website that my webmaster who is 1502 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:12,400 actually the webmaster for the Dalai 1503 01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,210 Lama okay yeah and and lives in in live 1504 01:04:22,170 --> 01:04:18,160 in India and the man's a genius 1505 01:04:24,210 --> 01:04:22,180 he has donated thousands of hours to 1506 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:24,220 building this website it has all the 1507 01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:26,650 latest bells and whistles but it 1508 01:04:33,660 --> 01:04:29,590 contains basically everything about me 1509 01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:33,670 so the videos the books etc and then it 1510 01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:36,220 links to other locations as well but my 1511 01:04:44,339 --> 01:04:39,580 hats off to webmaster Bryan for being an 1512 01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:44,349 absolute IT genius and you know if it 1513 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:46,480 hadn't been for him I would be nowhere 1514 01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:50,410 as famous as I am now and I got to thank 1515 01:04:56,670 --> 01:04:51,910 him as well I believe it was him who 1516 01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:56,680 connected us great so well Bryan it's 1517 01:05:00,180 --> 01:04:58,330 been fun thanks again for taking the 1518 01:05:01,470 --> 01:05:00,190 time enjoy the rest of your day and keep 1519 01:05:04,550 --> 01:05:01,480 doing what you do alright man 1520 01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:04,560 I will thank you very much you got it 1521 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:08,920 boom people a nice solid return to the 1522 01:05:14,490 --> 01:05:11,290 classics ancient civilizations lost 1523 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:14,500 technology alien humanoids I thought 1524 01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:16,510 this is a pretty satisfying show big 1525 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:18,670 thanks to Bryan these elongated skulls 1526 01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:21,250 are so wild and I feel like I learned a 1527 01:05:26,849 --> 01:05:23,710 lot today talking about the mariya and 1528 01:05:29,099 --> 01:05:26,859 mu is always good fun too I really don't 1529 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:29,109 understand how solving the mystery of 1530 01:05:35,010 --> 01:05:32,050 humanity's origins isn't a bigger deal I 1531 01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:35,020 would expect people to be more curious 1532 01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:36,550 about this but I guess if you think we 1533 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:38,710 naturally evolved from apes then there 1534 01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:40,690 isn't really a time to think about we 1535 01:05:44,490 --> 01:05:42,310 just turned into humans like a 1536 01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:44,500 caterpillar turns into a butterfly and 1537 01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:46,630 then we took over the entire planet and 1538 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:48,580 now we watch shark tank and vape all 1539 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:51,609 part of the natural order right I'm not 1540 01:05:57,060 --> 01:05:54,250 so sure I think we are natural I think 1541 01:05:59,849 --> 01:05:57,070 there is way more that we need to 1542 01:06:02,760 --> 01:05:59,859 understand not only do I see this as 1543 01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:02,770 just one round of recorded history but 1544 01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,630 who really knows how many rounds there 1545 01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:06,880 were and that still doesn't really solve 1546 01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:09,790 the problem of where we came from where 1547 01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:11,710 are we genetically engineered from Pig 1548 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:14,260 and bonobo parts by other beings of some 1549 01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:16,690 kind could our consciousness or 1550 01:06:19,110 --> 01:06:18,640 self-awareness be a byproduct of our 1551 01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:19,120 inner 1552 01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:22,390 with an immortal space-faring fungus who 1553 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:24,910 knows but elongated skulls might have 1554 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:26,770 something to do at least a part of that 1555 01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:29,770 story the frustrating thing to me is it 1556 01:06:32,730 --> 01:06:32,200 will probably never know maybe when we 1557 01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:32,740 die 1558 01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:35,020 something will become obvious but that's 1559 01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:38,140 like our only real hope a big part of 1560 01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:40,060 the reason I used to be an atheist is 1561 01:06:45,450 --> 01:06:41,950 because I was into the genetic 1562 01:06:48,090 --> 01:06:45,460 alteration ancient alien theory and I 1563 01:06:50,270 --> 01:06:48,100 guess I still AM but when you bring into 1564 01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:50,280 the mix the idea of a soul or a 1565 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:52,600 consciousness or an aspect of yourself 1566 01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:55,570 that is non-physical and the idea of an 1567 01:07:01,020 --> 01:06:58,720 afterlife of some kind whether you go to 1568 01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:01,030 a spirit world and then get reincarnated 1569 01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:03,460 or whether you just stay there I just 1570 01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:04,870 get confused because if there's 1571 01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:07,510 something to those components it would 1572 01:07:13,110 --> 01:07:09,460 indicate to me some type of natural 1573 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:13,120 cycle it seems even harder to create an 1574 01:07:20,570 --> 01:07:16,710 intelligent biological life-form and 1575 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:20,580 some type of post life aspect doesn't it 1576 01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:23,170 unless consciousness is some kind of 1577 01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:25,060 seed and planted in these little meat 1578 01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:27,520 bodies but I don't know how you could 1579 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:30,670 like treat that as a tangible stain and 1580 01:07:35,490 --> 01:07:32,770 find some way to inject it like motor 1581 01:07:38,670 --> 01:07:35,500 oil and get it to happen every time 1582 01:07:40,980 --> 01:07:38,680 sperm fertilizes an egg it's a lot I 1583 01:07:42,990 --> 01:07:40,990 guess I just think it's fun to explore 1584 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:43,000 and I don't try to rectify it too much 1585 01:07:47,070 --> 01:07:44,530 because it's all just hypothetical 1586 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:47,080 anyway but I am pretty happy with this 1587 01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:49,570 one hopefully you found it to be a good 1588 01:07:55,980 --> 01:07:53,680 listen in the + show today we got into 1589 01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:55,990 the idea that Antarctica could have been 1590 01:08:01,140 --> 01:07:58,720 Atlantis and also the recent added 1591 01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:01,150 attention that Antarctica is getting 1592 01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:03,180 from the elite we talked about 1593 01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:06,310 Velikovsky and the possibility of 1594 01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:08,740 radical change in the solar system the 1595 01:08:15,630 --> 01:08:11,430 electric universe and plasma discharge 1596 01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:15,640 brian's own UFO encounters fairies and 1597 01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:18,420 gods unknown elements of the incas 1598 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:20,500 reconstructing a truer picture of 1599 01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:22,630 Central and South American cultures 1600 01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:25,450 ancient machines of the Egyptians 1601 01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:28,510 Brian's issues and dismissal of the 1602 01:08:32,379 --> 01:08:31,600 geopolymer theory Akhenaten the Trump of 1603 01:08:35,889 --> 01:08:32,389 his day 1604 01:08:39,519 --> 01:08:35,899 a pelvic and the 33rd parallel a deep 1605 01:08:41,169 --> 01:08:39,529 deep second hour if you just contribute 1606 01:08:43,859 --> 01:08:41,179 to this beautiful journey that is the 1607 01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:43,869 higher side chest but solid episode 1608 01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:46,159 getting a bit back in the weird end of 1609 01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:49,249 the pool next show is a jump back to the 1610 01:08:54,069 --> 01:08:52,249 political it's one I recorded a while 1611 01:08:56,739 --> 01:08:54,079 ago and I've been holding on to but it's 1612 01:08:58,059 --> 01:08:56,749 got to come out and after that it is 1613 01:09:01,809 --> 01:08:58,069 going to get pretty crazy 1614 01:09:03,549 --> 01:09:01,819 in the meantime manifest those destinies 1615 01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:03,559 chisel with the chain to the debt based 1616 01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:05,630 system of rule and keep your pimp and 1617 01:09:10,749 --> 01:09:08,689 strong I'll see you next time we might 1618 01:09:13,419 --> 01:09:10,759 not ever uncover the full human story 1619 01:09:16,299 --> 01:09:13,429 cover to cover but we do find new pages 1620 01:09:19,149 --> 01:09:16,309 every so often I've done my part 1621 01:09:21,459 --> 01:09:19,159 your move weird headed Caracas people of 1622 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:21,469 the ancient past and the keepers of 1623 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:27,289 their secrecy your [\h__\h] lucid dreams 1624 01:09:33,309 --> 01:09:30,409 also visit cuz you go to bed at 7:00 and 1625 01:09:36,129 --> 01:09:33,319 your brain comes alive because you H in 1626 01:09:38,559 --> 01:09:36,139 nine to five you wake up with dread and 1627 01:09:40,779 --> 01:09:38,569 make sure your cat's a Fed did your 1628 01:09:43,569 --> 01:09:40,789 brain talk to ghosts move your coffee 1629 01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:43,579 and eat oats as you listen to the higher 1630 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:47,630 side chat you can't see you dust and 1631 01:09:52,839 --> 01:09:50,329 your bosses it's a mess and your soul 1632 01:09:55,629 --> 01:09:52,849 slowly goes to a place when nothing 1633 01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:55,639 gross when you think he's not around you 1634 01:10:01,729 --> 01:09:58,400 insert a SETI sound 1635 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:01,739 vo whimpers turn it down and you say 1636 01:10:09,169 --> 01:10:06,330 it's just a higher side chat oh do you 1637 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:09,179 think you're being invited to Bohemian 1638 01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:14,370 Grove to Bilderberg Club oh do you think 1639 01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:18,390 you're being invited by Rasta to a party 1640 01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:24,960 on a submarine dining down to the center 1641 01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:28,350 rhodius to the Marianas Trench is 1642 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:30,360 teasing in the clinch from the 1643 01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:34,290 sulphureus stench the mask you give in 1644 01:10:47,060 --> 01:10:44,479 starting today you'll make plans to get 1645 01:10:49,820 --> 01:10:47,070 away there's no one to hold you down and 1646 01:10:52,669 --> 01:10:49,830 the waters start to drown then you wake 1647 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:52,679 to the glare of Akko fluorescence there 1648 01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:55,530 and the light winks at you cuz its life 1649 01:11:01,580 --> 01:10:57,900 is almost through but it's holding gone 1650 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:01,590 to quit plan just like you it's time for 1651 01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:04,090 the higher side chat 1652 01:11:23,070 --> 01:11:20,760 [Music] 1653 01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:23,080 hey guys thanks for listening to the 1654 01:11:26,970 --> 01:11:24,640 first hour of the higher side chats 1655 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:26,980 podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you 1656 01:11:31,410 --> 01:11:29,050 don't know there is a second hour to all 1657 01:11:33,090 --> 01:11:31,420 the episodes we do around here generally 1658 01:11:35,010 --> 01:11:33,100 we're able to get a lot deeper into the 1659 01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,020 topics and ideas that a guest is about 1660 01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:36,880 so if you enjoyed what you've heard from 1661 01:11:42,180 --> 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01:12:35,050 we've got a nice form going where people 1689 01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:37,150 can get deeper in conversation about the 1690 01:12:42,030 --> 01:12:39,550 episodes with other listeners submit a 1691 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:42,040 candidate in the guest request thread or 1692 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:44,530 share their own personal projects to get 1693 01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,090 out of the soul-crushing nine-to-five 1694 01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:48,400 coggan unreal life on the entrepreneurs 1695 01:12:53,010 --> 01:12:50,980 thread the forum n the plus comments are 1696 01:12:54,810 --> 01:12:53,020 always the first places I try to go for 1697 01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:54,820 listener engagement but it does get 1698 01:12:58,980 --> 01:12:56,650 harder as the show gets more popular 1699 01:13:00,660 --> 01:12:58,990 because of that there's also a direct 1700 01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:00,670 messaging feature that you can use to 1701 01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:03,160 reach me through the plus site also but 1702 01:13:07,020 --> 01:13:04,780 beyond the forum if you like any of the 1703 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:07,030 music I've used for THC most of it I've 1704 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:09,250 hired artists to make and I provided all 1705 01:13:13,230 --> 01:13:11,170 its free downloads to plus members too 1706 01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,240 so if you like a particular song you've 1707 01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:15,280 heard close the show out recently come 1708 01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:17,710 get the mp3 I should also mention that 1709 01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:19,960 if you don't like the idea of paying $5 1710 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:22,300 recurring every month I get that you can 1711 01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:24,490 buy three months six months or a year 1712 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:26,830 upfront and just be done with it I have 1713 01:13:31,009 --> 01:13:28,570 plenty of listeners who send checks and 1714 01:13:32,659 --> 01:13:31,019 money orders to the PIO box too I 1715 01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:32,669 try to make it as easy for people as I 1716 01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,260 can and you can read more about it on 1717 01:13:38,779 --> 01:13:36,239 the signup page also be sure to check 1718 01:13:40,189 --> 01:13:38,789 out the FAQ help page on the plus side 1719 01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:40,199 if you have any questions or concerns 1720 01:13:43,519 --> 01:13:41,489 about how to listen to a 1721 01:13:45,409 --> 01:13:43,529 password-protected show on your devices 1722 01:13:47,719 --> 01:13:45,419 I've highlighted a lot of great 1723 01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:47,729 solutions and one of those would be the 1724 01:13:52,309 --> 01:13:49,769 iPhone app that just recently hit the 1725 01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:52,319 Apple App Store a super kind and 1726 01:13:56,269 --> 01:13:54,449 talented listener made it for us and you 1727 01:13:58,429 --> 01:13:56,279 can use it to stream or download either 1728 01:14:01,399 --> 01:13:58,439 the free or the plus show if 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01:14:26,819 please get in touch with us at the 1743 01:14:31,609 --> 01:14:29,699 higher side chats team @ gmail.com I 1744 01:14:33,019 --> 01:14:31,619 also wanted to plug the higher side 1745 01:14:34,849 --> 01:14:33,029 newsletter I'm going to be putting out 1746 01:14:37,129 --> 01:14:34,859 totally free for anyone who wants to 1747 01:14:39,289 --> 01:14:37,139 sign up at the main Internet web site 1748 01:14:41,389 --> 01:14:39,299 for the show the higher side chats com 1749 01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:41,399 you can also get on that email list 1750 01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:43,169 through the higher side chats Facebook 1751 01:14:46,969 --> 01:14:45,510 page there's a button there as well but 1752 01:14:49,459 --> 01:14:46,979 the reason I'm doing this is because I 1753 01:14:51,559 --> 01:14:49,469 get tons and tons of emails after a show 1754 01:14:53,449 --> 01:14:51,569 goes up asking me about how I feel about 1755 01:14:55,039 --> 01:14:53,459 a particular guest or topic and the 1756 01:14:57,019 --> 01:14:55,049 wrap-up isn't always the best place to 1757 01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:57,029 do that especially if I have anything 1758 01:15:00,859 --> 01:14:59,010 negative to say sometimes the dust needs 1759 01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:00,869 to settle sometimes they need to hear 1760 01:15:04,909 --> 01:15:03,329 feedback from you guys first there are a 1761 01:15:06,529 --> 01:15:04,919 lot of factors but I usually have 1762 01:15:08,959 --> 01:15:06,539 something to communicate to you and I 1763 01:15:10,609 --> 01:15:08,969 just don't get to do it so on the first 1764 01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:10,619 of the month I plan to send out a little 1765 01:15:14,509 --> 01:15:12,209 newsletter with my thoughts about the 1766 01:15:16,429 --> 01:15:14,519 five shows the previous month and talk 1767 01:15:18,589 --> 01:15:16,439 to you about anything else that's on my 1768 01:15:20,419 --> 01:15:18,599 mind or that's going on and what's 1769 01:15:21,949 --> 01:15:20,429 probably most enticing is that I'm going 1770 01:15:24,049 --> 01:15:21,959 to give you some insight into at least 1771 01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:24,059 one guest I have coming up in the month 1772 01:15:28,129 --> 01:15:26,129 which people have been begging for some 1773 01:15:29,959 --> 01:15:28,139 posted schedule for a long time I 1774 01:15:31,759 --> 01:15:29,969 personally think I'd like to surprise 1775 01:15:33,799 --> 01:15:31,769 but sign up for the higher side 1776 01:15:35,269 --> 01:15:33,809 newsletter it's free it comes out on the 1777 01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,279 1st of the month and I won't waste your 1778 01:15:40,099 --> 01:15:38,159 time with any other emails and that's it 1779 01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:40,109 I appreciate you listening I try to give 1780 01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:42,089 alternative ideas and guests a fair 1781 01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:44,580 shake on a high quality podcast 1782 01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:46,260 those some deep level conspiracies 1783 01:15:50,030 --> 01:15:48,360 without the yelling and I hope to offer 1784 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:50,040 some inspiration that even though the 1785 01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,170 system relentlessly suggests you should 1786 01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:54,480 follow their blueprint to mediocrity you 1787 01:15:58,610 --> 01:15:56,310 can do your own thing and live a much 1788 01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,620 happier life despite all the negativity